The Supreme Court holds that strict scrutiny does NOT apply to the TikTok ban, applying intermediate scrutiny instead. And the court relies SOLELY on Congress' argument that TikTok gives the Chinese govt access to private data, declining to endorse the "covert manipulation of content" rational.
If the gov thinks it can attack the people’s access to free speech, free commerce, and free enterprise they are going to find MAGA and liberals joining forces. It’s already happening. The establish oligarchy will end, and the people will do it.
They sure do, but if the US had national security concerns about China getting our data they’d start there. They aren’t-in fact never showed evidence of any national security threat. They sure did make money. The guy who wrote the bill bought over $1.2 mill in meta stock for on passing day.
Not to mention ignoring what Meta and X do with our data even though they could and probably do sell our data to the highest bidder. Interesting how the two companies that lobbied congress and bribed Trump get to operate with impunity with no regard to who their shareholders are.
It will be interesting to see the blowback from this. It’s easy to just sort of shake your head and say oh it’s just a bunch of TikTokers. My response is no it’s 175 million TikTokers.
So where’s the proof that TikTok is doing this? Folks can say anything, doesn’t mean it’s true. I’d like to see the evidence that they say they have that China through TikTok is spying on us. Otherwise it’s BS and their only saying that because it’s Chinese
They all spy on us, every app collects copious amounts of data on the user. It's where the real money comes from. This is nothing specific to TT and that's the issue. They are fine with US owned apps spying on us, but apparently are not okay with Chinese apps doing the same?
The Supreme Court also declines to consider "classified evidence," which the government refused to show the public, that allegedly supported the ban, relying on publicly available information instead. (Gorsuch had concerns about this at argument and supports the court's approach in a concurrence.)
Bytedance literally lied about the Chinese government having access to American TikTok servers. It was a Chinese spying vehicle. Domestic spying is always an issue worth talking about, but equating a democratic government against a repressive foreign enemy working to harm us is really dumb.
Gorsuch's concurrence in the judgment functions like a kind of shadow majority opinion, reiterating the court's main points but expressing some reservations about the law nonetheless. It's actually worth reading in full. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-656_ca7d.pdf
How many times does china have to attack you before you realize they're not your friend.
Just off the top of my head:
- Stolen TB of data on the F-35 and F-22.
- Hacked businesses, ports, power grid, hospitals, other critical infrastructure, gov't sites/treasury, leaked SSNs, etc.
Elon Musk has been operating as an undocumented foreign agent for years blatantly in the open without consequence. He directly interfered in an ally's military operations and blatantly engaged in election interference and bribing of Trump whilst holding some of our most vital government contracts.
And yet, the Donny & JD (the folks I'm guessing YOU voted for) both have TikTok accounts & used them during the 2024 campaign. And Donny is even calling for a stop to the ban.
So accept you've been lied to about the "security threat" of TikTok.
Is it China's fault housing in America is unaffordable? Is it China's fault Healthcare is fucking ridiculous. Is it China's fault we have an oligarchical class ripping off our government right now? Or could it maybe be the largest wealth disparity ever? Keep blaming China while they rob you blind.
why do i care about america having data on the f-35 or f-22? those are for dropping bombs. if china has it and we don't then fine, because we bomb enough people. take our toys away.
So it is fine for American companies to harvest your data and sell it to anyone who asks, is what they're saying with a Tiktok ban vs actual privacy laws?
Well that's ok. You see, the NSA needs to hoover up literally everything on the net and phone networks to "stop terrorism" and you're just un-American if you don't agree
This is not surprising from a court that has an average age of nearly 64. I generally hate the "they're too old they don't understand" argument, but I think in this case it's valid.
Every American has the ability to decline using TikTok or having their information used or stolen or whatever they’re claiming they also have a right to agree to that by using TikTok, same as with Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp threads blue sky, so ridiculous
So they don’t care that Mus and Zuckerberg are taking our information and spying on us or other apps that are American apps because they all are like Apple Samsung. They just care that it’s a foreign adversary so stupid so much for first amendment rights which rights are next.
This driving users to interact with citizens of a country our leaders designate an “enemy” (and in trade they are) and absolutely loving them needs to lead to a wave of solidarity here at home. We are more powerful than them.
Kind of moot at this stage?
DT comes in next week w +100 executive orders and . . .boom.
If he does what other oligarchs before him have done, make severe changes immediately that benefit their authoritarian agenda, and the battle is won before it starts.
Sooooo…
The app is called dangerous because China can mine information with it, but it’s ok if it’s bought by an American oligarch who will have that information?
They don’t know anything about technology. Not one of those justices could convert a word doc to pdf. I’m betting a majority of them don’t even know their Apple ID.
The SCOTUS, at present, state the Constitution according to the Orange Ape and HE states it according to those who keep him financially solvent.
Who do you expect?
That is just another step in taking away free speech..I'm sure they will let the American Nazis spew there bigoted nonsense and call it free speech that can't be infringed upon.
I am not surprised at all given that the bald-headed-shark-guy wanted to buy it but couldn't and had to find a sidekick. I understand their argument but the timing is impeccable. Similar to how the Japanese were put in internment camps during WW2, while Americans fought in Europe to free the Jews.
It’s a double edged sword. Theban penalizes young progressives who are important for democracy. TikTok is owned by a Chinese business. there are national security concerns. Chinese government can force TikTok to turn over data on all of its users, TikTok is banned and not available in China.
So does that mean they will now block all apps from china and other countries not owned by the US? What about all the computers and chips in very thing? Slippery slope
I mean it _does_ matter. There's a reason why this was a per curiam decision, and it's because there was essentially bipartisan agreement that this was a narrowly scoped problem limited to foreign entities on foreign soil and what protections they deserve on their US operations.
This issue began a while ago. Trump signed EO 13942 prohibiting any person to engage in any transaction with ByteDance (TikTok's parent company) or any of their subsidiaries.
I find it laughable that he now claims to want to save it.
With TikTok banned, Meta gets a huge advantage, consolidating a dominant position in social media markets internationally, especially the U.S. This gives Meta a quasi-monopoly on short-form video content, no others have the scale or reach to replace TikTok in the US. Fake security concerns for Zuck.
It is ironic and indicative of Zuck’s $$$ for regulators to ban TikTok only to strengthen Meta’s market dominance, given that Meta itself faced antitrust scrutiny. A TikTok ban (really a removal of first amendment rights) should lead to stricter antitrust enforcement against Meta.
Why is anyone surprised when they already ruled we have no right to privacy. This is what you get when you allow Christianity an inch of space within the government or law.
Yes this brings to mind politics, but not one side vs another, but elites in government vs common people. With basically a conspiracy theory and no public evidence, it was a bipartisan ban, because the government can’t control what people share or see, unlike meta and alphabet.
If an American company goes to China, they are forced to partner with a Chinese company. TikTok needs to follow the same rules here in America that they have in China. The national security issue are quite significant for us. TikTok is quite capably of complying.
What’s wild about this is foreign governments are STILL able to buy our info from Meta. I figured if this were a national security thing they’d have shut down that down ages ago.
And not at all setting a potentially problematic precedent that the national security interests trump citizens' 1A rights. That's not at all going to potentially allow an authoritarian-adjacent president-elect declare, if need be, that he has to shut down various free speech spaces and orgs.
Of course they did. Trump’s new Besty, Mark Zuckerberg, wanted him to. Trump ordered his corrupt supreme court to rule in Mark’s favor. Get used to it America!
I bet you’ve heard but I must warn you. Red Note is not a good idea. Giving Chinese govt your info gives them right to basically break into your phone. Read about a girl that added money to their monetary and her bank acct was wiped next day. I’d advise to delete it and wipe your phone or reset it.
It’s not great. I researched this weekend. I added and then deleted a few. Lemon8 not good either. Best two options in long run are BlueSky and Substack. There are educated critical thinkers on both which makes the experience great! YouTube is great to follow your fave as well. 100%
Right. I don't know why anyone buys that Trump actually wants to save TikTok. You mean the app that detracts from His own social media app, Musks app and is actively trouncing all of Zucks apps? In what world is it in Trumps interest to protect TikTok?
If my business didn't depend on them - happily. Until other apps offer decent competition, I'm stuck with em lol. Hoping bluesky, neptune, and tidal take off well. Then I just need a YouTube replacement and I can delete all of those accounts
If the orange thing comes in and(either has a deal or some BTS actions) and gets TikTok back as a plot to be the "hero." I'm going to be so disgusted. I hope people will see through him. Just a theory
To have your free to speak means protecting it. So if concerns over potential user data collection and influence operations by the government of the People's Republic of China, leading to restrictions and bans in the United States" is bothering you then Oh Well. Finally something I say thank you, SC
Believe it or not, the US military was the first to discover that the App includes a script that copies data from the device it is installed on, which it transmits to servers in China.
Coincidentally, Win11’s Recall does the same. Microsoft was ordered to remove Recall. They didn’t.
This is just a start. This was their(both left and right) experiment, now they know they can get away with anything in the USA, just like they get away with anything outside of USA
What I do find disturbing is that this ban didn't happen until Israel was unable to silence Palestinians documenting genocide being perpetrated against them.
Stripping the income from millions of your citizens because of angry Zionists and disguising it has a modern red scare is quite the mashup of paranoia and horrible policy. We’re so cooked
This further delegitimizes the United states. We were promised the land of the free, not the land of the genocide cover up. Since the government broke their promises to us we no longer have any obligations to them
It's more like the avarice of competing tech billionaires. Look who funded the legislators voting for the ban: Meta, Meta, Meta.
Not buying the "threat to security" or "govt doesn't want us knowing/organizing"
It's Zuckerberg & Musk, who want to buy it and destroy it or impose their algorithms
Dear….you would have a point if you could only stop blaming Zionists for EVERY world problem. Otherwise you’re just racist. What do Zionist have to do with the TikTok ban?
That's not the point being made here, but honestly I'm at work so I don't have time to go down a path. The disgusting owners of these mega apps really shouldn't even exist because they are truly feeding on all of us, yes.
I wouldn’t argue that. But in totality someone dancing in their bedroom on their own time and in their own way for tips is far less predatory than a majority of job opportunities
Do you think Tik Tok is cutting checks for 100% of the proceeds of the content creator work? Dancing on Tik Tok is a job, you just have no benefits and your payout is random.
Dance motherfucker, better hope the kids like this one or you're not eating this month.
Presumably the poster is making the argument that the people dancing for pennies are not exploiting other people's labor (mostly true), but tiktok itself is absolutely exploiting the fuck out of it's userbase, like every large social media app.
Do you have the same opinion about writers or filmmakers? What about local businesses who advertise on TV? Where the line of legitimate entertainment and marketing for you?
I don't agree with advertisements either. I just personally feel that our world would be better without the concept of "wealth." A person like Adin Ross doesn't fundamentally provide much of anything to society. This may now become a rabbithole, but no, I don't have the same opinion about the arts.
I hear you, but I just feel that the honest and true creators could still make a way in the world of arts without things such as TikTok, which, yes has opened doors for some but has also opened far far too many for people who actually create a massive detriment to society. And again, at the end of..
Still amazes me that people using social media will give so much personal information for the privilege of using it. Might be time to turn off some simple permissions like: microphone, location, and tracking while online. And using a history & cookie cleaning option when logging off your medium.
And everyone flocks to another Chinese app. The American government has been hijacked by white Christian nationalists and instead of trying to actually help people, they are banning an app.
This is about oppressing the marginalized groups that found community, safety, and a platform to be louder, particularly LGBTQ+ and disabled people. Our information has already long been breached. This won't stop that. But it gives the fascists more control.
Get your self in order. The US government is no longer here to protect you, uphold the law, uphold the constitution or save you from any disaster. It’s all a scam on the people. Nearly everyone in charge is being bought off. There aren’t enough good people left to do anything. Good luck.
300k US (not Chinese) jobless claims incoming. This is special interest bs. Ez to argue American owned social media outlets are just as corrupted or corruptible. All of this because TikTok wouldn’t censor critique of Israel. pathetic. naive of people to think this is a good thing.
Shocking. The SCOTUS does not represent justice. They represent the Zuckerberg's, Bezo's and Musk's of this country. Our democracy is officially dead. Let the revolution commence.
The American Civil Liberties Union said that the ruling allows “the government to shut down an entire platform and the free speech rights of so many based on fear-mongering and speculation.”
There are many, many problems with this iteration of the SC but, and it won’t make me popular here, I agree with their ruling on this 1. Feel for those who have lost a revenue stream/job but a greater good is at stake here. This isn’t a simple matter
No. That’s not what I said. Greater scrutiny of social media and the ‘internet’ should be of everyone’s interest. Twitter should be put under the same microscope.
too bad we have so many "light" brains in this country who willingly give their data to the Chinese so they can watch stupid shit...GET OFF YOUR GODDAMN PHONE!!! (I'm on my computer..lol)
I am in favor ..
USA needs to get a grip on bad actors foreign and domestic as we are slowly set us up for the smooth soundless power play through the digital platforms.
I do not like China's influence.. consumers support china just by daily living already
This mental game of chicken that they’ve been playing is exhausting! Once again, 170 million vs 536 and us TikTokers lose! Time to get some young blood in office who are open minded and understand technology.
Whether you like TikTok or not, everyone should be concerned that proven propaganda machines (Meta, Twitter) are essentially state approved media now. This is what we are trying to stop. How long until they come after BlueSky? What argument will they use for it?
Exactly. Both of those apps will be used without reservation to tag n bag all American citizens who post anything negative about the maga king. I can only hope is mortality comes to pass.
And Americans who moved over to Xiaohongshu in protest are now finding this out. As a trade-off, the Chinese citizens are learning how bad things actually are here.
Exactly. This isn't about just taking away an app. It's taking away millions of jobs, controlling who we talk to and what information we can access about the outside world.
I think Trump will flip the SC the bird and will do whatever he wants to do. He’s going to flex his power over them on day one. Is the CEO of TikTok still attending the inauguration?
Finally, I agree with the Supreme Court on something. I expect Trump will get bootlicker Johnson to pass a law selling it to a billionaire sycophant or something though .
Why do you agree? No evidence was given. Or is it just that you don’t like TikTok? Aren’t you concerned that Meta and Twitter are essentially state controlled media now?
I think that TikTok is essentially state controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. Chinese owned companies are required by Chinese law to allow the government access to their data and TikTok is a Chinese owned company.
Meanwhile not a single politician is talking about Telegram, the other social medias 100% run by the russian intelligence services, full of scam and fraud... or youtube, facebook, 4chan and all those garbage sites pushing right wing nazi propaganda all day long.
I did not know that 🇨🇳national BillionaireCEO owned corps were presumed to have First Amendment protections😜
Is this a new policy of XiJinping’s?
Sociologically thrilling in terms of inadvertent breach of his
“Great”FireWall this flood of 🇺🇸nationals flooding onto 🇨🇳📕
#EyesOnShigatse #FreePress
And yet, Biden has decided to pause the fine, for the one day it goes into effect on his watch. Trump will pause the fines upon assuming office and then decide to not follow the law of SCOTUS opinion. We are in an age of choosing which laws and precedents the courts and executive choose to follow.
To be fair, the Supreme Court lost all credibility some time ago and we can’t really learn anything from its decisions at this point other than confirming its already blatant corruption.
outsourcing to China for cheap labor and higher profits began during Reagan's?? Borrowing cheap money and reliance on Chinese manufacturing while hurting the American middle class was OK?China generated billions in profit for capitalist which came at the expense of Americans' future prospects.
I can't pretend to have followed this closely but I was always skeptical of First Amendment violations. What I want to know is what grants Congress the authority to make things illegal by name? What's stopping Congress from making anything or anyone illegal by name instead of deed?
You don't have a first amendment right to a foreign adversary's social engineering and data mining platform. Apparently the American people aren't literate enough to understand when they're being attacked.
This is a rare instance of a bipartisan ruling that protects the people.
Funny how last year the GOP was all “FIRST AMENDMENT!!!!” when we were first talking about banning TikTok and now they see that its not exactly benefiting THEM so now want to kill it………
they just set a precedent to ban essentially anything they want, any social media, any pornography, any newspaper or organization, they chose to get rid of the first yet uphold the second, dark dark times
One of the patients at the office I work at who is gay and married voted for Trump. When I asked him why he would do that he said it was because he didn’t like Kamala. Unbelievable.
I just don’t understand why anyone would vote for someone who would take away such a basic right from you. Like why would women vote for someone who takes away their reproductive rights???
She makes me so mad. 😡 Her wealth and notoriety should have made her a great ally and spokesperson for the trans community. Instead she slams the door on all of the other people who just want to live their lives they want to.
The definition of class traitor. I don't even acknowledge him as trans. If he wants to pretend they don't exist, then so be it. He's Bruce again. He's Bruce Jenner with plastic tits and a dong under his skirt. He doesn't deserve the same rights that are deserved by other trans people.
Exactly. If we all decided that human rights were non-negotiable, both parties wouldn’t be able to use the threat of taking those rights to earn our votes. They would have to actually do their jobs.
i would argue all televised american news is propaganda. they've only divided it up into left vs right to keep us fighting eachother instead of focusing on how they're fucking all americans over.
Sinclair broadcasting a big time Trump lover their head CEO and owners, they have over 200 news Affiliates broadcasting all kinds of crap daily All Over America. It's insane this lie that the Democrats influence any of the media narratives
I didn’t say anything about the Democrats having media influence. The entire paradigm of Red vs. Blue is a manufactured narrative that does not represent the interests of normal Americans.
Okay yeah, I understand. It's just that I've been hearing this tagging of so-called "liberal media" by the right wing Republicans for decades now. When we all know who owns most of the big media. Sinclair is one of the biggest culprits spewing right wing Trump propaganda, they use subtlety though
In North Korea, citizens do willingly listen to propaganda. In fact, when they are presented with facts outside of their propaganda machine, they are hardly willing to believe them. So from North Korea you can envision the future of America under this new, anti-fact-checking oligarchal hellscape
Spying on us for what gain ? Does the average American have secrets that could jeopardize our national security ? Is there a difference between spying and studying us ? Such a vague ruling based on vague understandings. And this is supposed to be our highest authority?
The main argument is that younger folks see Chinese propaganda and will be compromised if they are ever in positions of power. Meanwhile, our country is turning into a full-fledged oligarchy, with state approved alternatives (Meta).
I guess they see how easily so many of our citizens have been so easily manipulated, propagandized and misled by our own politicians that they are somewhat justified in that thinking.
You’ve a president moving in on Monday that has been reported in the UK that he will consider reversing the supreme court’s decision. If that’s true you have no separation of powers and a full blown dictatorship
That’s okay as long as you know.
So much for capitalism; unless it’s hiding what doesn’t really pass for communism. $10K made to measure silk suits for the boss and no religious freedom for the workers
Trump will use exec power to delay back. Until his wife musk can find away to acquire it from his Chinese
Friends, you know all his advertisements on x are Chinese run companies, Shein,temu,Chinese made products!!
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Just off the top of my head:
- Stolen TB of data on the F-35 and F-22.
- Hacked businesses, ports, power grid, hospitals, other critical infrastructure, gov't sites/treasury, leaked SSNs, etc.
Good riddance.
funny, that
So accept you've been lied to about the "security threat" of TikTok.
DT comes in next week w +100 executive orders and . . .boom.
If he does what other oligarchs before him have done, make severe changes immediately that benefit their authoritarian agenda, and the battle is won before it starts.
The app is called dangerous because China can mine information with it, but it’s ok if it’s bought by an American oligarch who will have that information?
If you support China you support Rape Culture
Kick out foreign real estate speculators next
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48340210
Who do you expect?
and The US Gov will still be using TIKTOK to spread pro-American content to the world
https://biggovernment.substack.com/p/the-tik-tok-ban-is-unnecessary-and?r=1vj4ca
Trump started an insurrection in 2021, yet this same court said that was no big deal.
This same court doesn't abide by ethics of its own members.
Their Prez immunity ruling was the last straw for millions of users, including me.
I find it laughable that he now claims to want to save it.
Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh must have felt the heat and turned down the bribes to oppose.
Yup
“Making America Great”….🙄🙄🙄 What BS!
Coincidentally, Win11’s Recall does the same. Microsoft was ordered to remove Recall. They didn’t.
Not buying the "threat to security" or "govt doesn't want us knowing/organizing"
It's Zuckerberg & Musk, who want to buy it and destroy it or impose their algorithms
Dear You is a great album by Jawbreaker?
Do you even know you're racist?
Dance motherfucker, better hope the kids like this one or you're not eating this month.
Btw we're not cooked. We are well-fucking-done. We've been the frog in boiling pot since 9-11. There's no difference except the mask is off.
Russians and Saudis are investors in Twitter.
But only China is a problem?
USA needs to get a grip on bad actors foreign and domestic as we are slowly set us up for the smooth soundless power play through the digital platforms.
I do not like China's influence.. consumers support china just by daily living already
People are angry over something they have neither read nor understood.
Is this a new policy of XiJinping’s?
Sociologically thrilling in terms of inadvertent breach of his
“Great”FireWall this flood of 🇺🇸nationals flooding onto 🇨🇳📕
#EyesOnShigatse #FreePress
You don't have a first amendment right to a foreign adversary's social engineering and data mining platform. Apparently the American people aren't literate enough to understand when they're being attacked.
This is a rare instance of a bipartisan ruling that protects the people.
gave Trump the middle finger!!
Unironic anti-trans trans woman
It would almost be impressive if there wasn’t so much IRL harm caused
The ironic thing is, China controls ALL of the news the Chinese are allowed to see, and they aren't allowed to get on our social media.
They do weaponize our freedoms to socially engineer Americans, though.
's "Brave new world" right here.
Scream as loudly as you want, Fascists
Make the Teflon billionaire condom decided who's gonna use him for protective data interaction and who's gonna go all natural
Reagan was the founding puppet of Oligarchy pirates
So much for capitalism; unless it’s hiding what doesn’t really pass for communism. $10K made to measure silk suits for the boss and no religious freedom for the workers
Friends, you know all his advertisements on x are Chinese run companies, Shein,temu,Chinese made products!!