it is genuinely deranged how many americans think "expecting politicians to represent their constituents" is mean yucky evil bullying and they should be guaranteed votes regardless of what they do or say
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Democracy would happen (lol) What do they think happens now? They bend to billiionaires who threaten not to give them money if they don't get their way.
literally democracy, my dude. that's how every single fucking democracy throughout history has functioned, and how every single democracy functions, except the USA.
literally mono-party socialist states "bend to the will" of "special interest groups" all the fucking time.
Does he think this isn’t already happening lol??? Politicians bending to special in the rest groups is like one of the number one problems we’ve been dealing with in our political system for decades. He means *leftist* groups, but has no issue with corporations and industry lobbyists doing it.
The fact there is a "chamber of commerce" and not a "chamber of teachers, librarians and doctors" or a "chamber of homeless and disabled" is a criminal indictment of government. All government.
Huge difference between primary and general elections here. 100% primary the shit out of everyone not repping their constitutes, so you know, just about everyone! Sadly, we need many more voters to actually pay attention to the primaries though!!.
I should be able to vote in a primary without being registered to a party. You know that if you register independent, you never hear about primaries at all?
It's amazing how backwards some people have gotten the political process, believing they are drones obliged to vote for whomever the party tells them to. I had someone assert that people shouldn't question the leadership of the Party the other day, and I was like "What the fuck are you on?"
what drives me insane is that it would have been easier and overall better for harris to do the right thing than have voters just ignore genocide. it was such a great opportunity for harris to differentiate herself and display genuine leadership. do these scolds understand anything?
it's also insane that somehow people are supposed to vote for someone who won't listen to them to avoid the alternative of someone who *checks notes* won't listen to them!
It's an oversimplification but I honestly think the biggest indicator that we've been heading towards fascism at full speed has always been how we universally agree the two party system is ruinously shitty along every axis and continue to do nothing to fix it.
They’re concerned about looking good, not doing good. By voting blue they can always have the feeling of improving things even if the candidate is a de facto Republican
libs regard retail politics and "doing things so people will vote for you" as cheating. part of the reason they don't like Big Don is he does things his voters like.
I actually think they are making a different point, and it is “what if all of the businesses and lobbyists realize this shit is real bad for all future business and revolt and the politicians listen to THEM ” instead of “what if they listen to the voters/constituents
Just makes me think of the candidate in O Brother Where Art Thou who's in the KKK asking the crowd "is you or is you ain't my constituency?" before they pull the mic on his ass
"What if candidates responded to the needs and desires of their constituents?"
I don't know man, they would probably build a more durable base and win more elections.
My only thing is that recent video of a Congresscritter screeching about “I get to decide, I get to decide” when confronted with voting against the people’s interests.
I love that this person can’t distinguish between the differences of various interest groups like “people who want tap water that isn’t poison, necessities to be affordable” vs “shady middleman business man who wants no regulation on finances or imports or anything”
i genuinely did not think these people existed until i met one. it's actually crazy that they think you owe a politician a vote and they don't have to earn it.
It's privilege. Nothing's fundamentally on the line for them, except a nebulous concept of what's good for the country. They can write off a candidate being the death of others because hey, they're good on other stuff!
For the people getting the death part, "other stuff" doesn't cut it.
Both parties represent the elite as primary constituents it’s just a matter of which parts they represent. In this way the modern dem party is outdated as the more liberal elite class, and the social pressures that created them,has almost fully fallen to the gop tech dude Neofascist elite and fandom
This is why the dems will cave on any issue the old group, or what’s left of them, agree with the neofascists on. There is a reason everyone is underwater in support rn
This shit is so hypocritical too, because the second those people back politicians they like they're "thanked for their support." so apparently groups with an invested interest in politicians have only good things to offer in their aid, and if it's withheld then they have no power?
What world does this guy live in where politicians don’t already bend to the will of interest groups? The only difference is that instead of votes they get hundreds of thousands of dollars
The thing Adam is talking about happens literally all the fucking time. The will is just bent towards the people threatening to withhold all the campaign money rather than a working class person who thinks genocide is bad.
I don't know, but I'd be interested to try it just to see if just maybe it works better than bending to the will of interest groups who threaten to withhold their large sums of money if they don't get their way.
this, in my opinion, is the point of trump: to ruin any semblance of democracy. "see what happens when we let the filthy masses decide?!" they screech in eldritch tones
Its doubly infuriating when you consider they never complain about big business and the industrial war complex and medical insurance buying votes though bribes aka "funding". Its only that the little person shouldn't get any say. Thats what the GOP and Trump have managed to instil in those twats.
I guess if my candidate had proven correct all of their naysayers by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with one of the worst campaigns ever seen and plunged the nation into fascism, I’d be tetchy too
If the Emily Feiner threads are anything to go by, cait can look forward to one particular user calling her "Poison Pits" in every reply for the next 48 hours.
I would carefully say she's a scapegoat for the real loser: Biden, who eked out a W on the promise of one term, announced his reelection while at 35% approval, cheerled a genocide, then got benched in the 4th quarter. K was put in a bad place, made worse by palling around w Liz fucking cheney
That just makes her doubly a loser for not distancing herself a single micrometer from him, and in fact running to his right as compared to his 2020 campaign
Ya that's the "palling around w Liz f cheney" kissed on as I ran out of characters, I agree, though it's harder to do that when only getting snaps in the 4th quarter, sorry for excessive football analogy
Got it, I was maybe hastily jumping on 'put in a bad place' which is actually totally true but kinda immaterial since she took her terrible field placement then ran straight for their endzone
Biden may not have left her in a good place, for all the reasons stated above. But to take what was a shit position and then double down on all of it? She didn't have to go out and call Biden a monster on live TV, just something like "Joe has tried admirably but it's time for something new"
"Inflation is out of control, a lot of families are hurting, we need a new hand at the wheel" would have hit a lot better than "Bidenomics has worked perfectly and I'm going to do more of the same, but promise even less (of things that biden didn't even pretend to try deliver on)"
I recall it myself but also can find it by googling. I think they were coy ab it to avoid being an immediate lame duck (understandable) but launching reelection campaign while double digit underwater was not understandable.
I totally mistook them for competent and playing the long game, I thought that they were going to use his presidency to boost up Harris's profile to build up for her inevitable campaign but then they just all went to brunch instead.
to be fair he didn't cheerlead for a genocide, he outright did crimes to make that genocide happen, which is obviously far worse. that makes him, like, coach for genocide or something. general manager, of genocide.
i feel like it's both. she's a pallid & unprincipled spineless loser, *and* she was set up to lose, only propped up as an identity-based windcatcher for donor money in a doomed campaign
That whole year of "just wait until September" from the ass-headers as disastrous poll after disastrous poll came out for the whole of 2023 and the first half of 2024.
You have to love the democrats no matter what they do. You have to vote for them. You are not allowed to expect more of your elected representatives. They owe us nothing, and we owe them our fealty no matter what
and that happened. and now Gaza will soon be totally non palestinian.
how did that work out for the vote withholders?
Democracy is a conversation, and if you are withholding your vote on a particular issue where the other side is DEMONSTRABLY EVIL, then you might want to reconsider your strategy.
probably better than being an Authoritarian shill.
it’s pretty damn imperfect but seriously I am surprised that anyone was surprised by what happened. wasn’t Felon47 encouraging Bibi not to make a deal until after the election signal enough? two men trying to stay out of jail?
You're still backing a candidate who impaled her career by alienating a large swath of voters as to appease large money donors. A politician who secretly also backs Bibi the Criminal. Maybe we can do better than two AIPAC shills.
What I was getting at is moderate, Slotkinist Democratic politics aren't going to stem the tide of fascism from the SCOTUS and Harris' campaign was pretty much straight from the Elissa Slotkin and James Carville book of politics. While Slotkin won Michigan, she has been a rather conservative Dem.
This is how they dehumanize people not like them. It's not a trans person or an immigrant or someone concerned about climate, it's an "interest group" or "activist". The only real people are those like them.
They want a king. They want to be told what to do and what the good policies are and how they ought to behave. In a literal way, they don't want to have to think. It's pathetic.
i dont remember anything that could have lead to this disconnect. is it something they got from, like, news channels that no one ever mentioned was being shoved as propaganda?
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literally mono-party socialist states "bend to the will" of "special interest groups" all the fucking time.
So like. Hm.
You mean like...billionaires and corpos?
…fucking yes?
How the fuck is actual democracy (although NOT direct democracy) grimier and more crass than that??
representative democracy as it's theorized, dumbass
I don't know man, they would probably build a more durable base and win more elections.
americans voting: don't scare the teeny smol united states senator
https://www.masslive.com/politics/2025/02/watch-i-decide-mass-rep-lynch-gets-heated-with-constituents-at-boston-rally.html
For the people getting the death part, "other stuff" doesn't cut it.
IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE THE LAST FUCKING MASS EFFECT, IT IS PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE PROTECTING OUR HUMAN RIGHTS
I beg to fucking differ.
(Unless you're a right wing voter, then you absolutely need to be pandered to).
So I think it's safe to assume he does not hold the voter, or democracy itself, in very high regard.
https://bsky.app/profile/ish-not.bsky.social/post/3lompd3vyv224
So I wonder if some were commenting on his condition and ability rather than his will? "Virtually inconceivable" they called it, and it certainly was!
We were fucked when they botched the $2k checks.
https://bsky.app/profile/utumno4.bsky.social/post/3lols2i4vhk2w
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how did that work out for the vote withholders?
Democracy is a conversation, and if you are withholding your vote on a particular issue where the other side is DEMONSTRABLY EVIL, then you might want to reconsider your strategy.
it’s pretty damn imperfect but seriously I am surprised that anyone was surprised by what happened. wasn’t Felon47 encouraging Bibi not to make a deal until after the election signal enough? two men trying to stay out of jail?
Let’s not pretend that anything good has happened because she wasn’t elected.
this hill I am willing to die on.
“I think trans people should be free to live their lives but constantly demanding proper pronoun usage is why the country is rejecting Democrats.”
Uh-huh, sure, bigot. 🙄🤦🏻♀️
i dont remember anything that could have lead to this disconnect. is it something they got from, like, news channels that no one ever mentioned was being shoved as propaganda?