Do the Catholics know that the Christian Right that is trying to take over the American system don’t see them as real Christians and think Catholicism is a false religion?? You ain’t part of that club dears.
Pope Leo is going to keep speaking out for compassion towards immigrants. tRUmp isn't going to like that, and magafolk are going to turn on the Pope with a vengeance.
I can't wait to see how Vance tries to stand on both sides of that confrontation.
But the new pope is asking us to, you know, do all that Jesus-y stuff like welcoming the stranger and feeding the hungry...and. and..forgiving (!) Others!!
I saw one of their talking heads (Keeperman) trying to hide all their atavistic, violent urges under "Vitality." Beating people up, torture, saying the N word, dominating women, keeping everyone other than white men down.
It's the "real masculinity" that's missing in modern society. 🙄
Me, raised Catholic- "So, Jesus is really big on social justice and all that jazz"
Adult Converts- "There's a missing preposition in the third paragraph of the German translation of a Byzantian scroll from 1408 so, technically women shouldn't be able to drive."
Is there like a GoFundMe to help tradcaths buy medieval armor and weapons so they can go try to recapture Jerusalem for Christendom with it? Because I would totally support them in that.
I grew up Catholic and it's extremely funny seeing someone cosplay the worst historical aspects of your own cultural background. It's like someone immigrating to South Carolina from Indonesia and immediately putting a Confederate flag on their front lawn
also if anyone construes what I just said as an endorsement of the *current* incarnation of the Catholic Church, I will pelt them with water balloons filled with anhydrous ammonia
The guy literally converted to Catholicism a month ago today and he's already ready to go on a crusade. Sounds like a real winner of a fellow. Also the kind of kid with a crazed manifesto written up and ready for release for when goes on his crusade.
I love them because maps are my hyper-fixation and they scratch that itch like an exfoliating cloth in a hot bath, but jesus fuck, the number of straight up fascist freaks you get across the board is mind boggling. Like…can we have NOTHING nice?!
Or maybe we latinos could repay what they want to do with us: “you can only be catholic if you are born in a catholic country to at least one catholic parent”
Pro-tip: adult catholic converts are literally the worst. If anyone is ever just really weird about making catholic errata/trivia their dogma and entire personality, just know that they converted as an adult.
(Sorry adult Catholic converts like JD Vance, I’m only speaking my truth.)
One day I need to look up the Children's Crusade. I always hear it mentioned but then everyone gets really grim and quiet and moves on to the next crusade that's apparently slightly cheerier.
I dunno, a large part of that might be because when it comes to the Children's Crusade it seems that literally no one at all has any clue what they are talking about because there are basically no reliable sources and interpretations are as diverse as they could possibly be.
Then, let us build hospitals and homes. Do as we can for all.
Truly, the thing I hate most about people who use Kingdom of Heaven screenshots, is their inability to recognize that they often spit in the face of what Baldwin truly wanted, much like they do towards Christ as well.
Two dudes who cared deeply and passionately about peace and caring for others, even those of different beliefs and nationalities. Both times, their goals, progress, and legacy were destroyed and defiled by the hateful, greedy, and ignorant.
This really reminds me of how Polish Catholics STILL act like about JP2. Basically actual idol worship. The previous government even tried to make "insulting" him (by stating facts) illegal
I wonder if he knows the odds that, as a crusader, he most likely would have shit himself to death from dysentery before he ever hoisted a pointy stick in anger.
Many ultra-conservatives unironically support that, not because they care about Palestinians at all, but because Jews are enemy #1, and they wish to see every single person of Jewish descent wiped from the face of the earth.
Ultra-conservative what? Not Catholics. I’ve never heard a single Catholic talk overmuch about the Jewish people, and when they do it’s in the same way you talk about your neighbor Dave down the cul-de-sac who’s a vegan.
Okay? So did I. Your personal experience does not in any way negate mine.
I am talking about the fact that many ultra-conservative Catholics are profoundly anti-Semitic. If your experience is different, that’s good for you and I am glad to hear it. It doesn’t in any way make mine false.
"When you stand before God, you cannot say, 'But I was told by others to do thus,' or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that."
Especially since *gets on his hobby horse* the fighting bits follow the same unfortunate directorial decisions than most movie battles (except Alexander (but you can skip the non-battle scenes of that movie (also, it was entirely fine tod do it in Troy or ofc LoTR))) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsU6H26_4dA
He did. Your crusade is loving your neighbors and your enemies alike. Your crusade is protecting the weak and needy through selfless acts. Your crusade is standing in the way of Nazis like ICE agents even if it means putting your life in danger.
The moment I see a vatican city emoji on any account that isn't the Pope's I now have a kneejerk reaction that they're gonna be some edgelord mangling the faith.
Benoit XIII (yes, XIII): we should care somewhat about the plight of the working class, because in this state of capitalism, it's only natural that they be seduced by the alternative vision of society that Marxism lays on the table.
Those guys: THAT'S MARXIST TALK!
Then again, CIA-founded Voice of America, litteraly created to counterbalance Soviet soft-power throughout the world, also was "marxist" according to those guys, sooooo…
Of course he chooses Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven, which absolutely shits all over fanatical Catholicism and slobbers on Saladin! To be clear: Orlando Bloom negotiates Jerusalem's surrender to Saladin to avoid a massacre, upholding Christian humility and humanity over fanaticism.
Critically, they're only willing to do the things they already wanted to do and just needed an excuse. Not anything that requires sacrifice or self-reflection.
My zeal is so strong that if the Pope asked me to kill a bunch of brown people, I totally would! Not that I've been thinking of doing that for years and hoping for an excuse and cmon man, just let me kill someone already.
People who say this kind of thing would probably crusade for a Klondike bar
At this point they just like violence and I just wish they would be frank about it. Then we don't have to go on about this respectability politics bullshit, we know their violence all too well, they hide it behind policy but it's intent is to kill and im sick of pretending it isnt.
Why are some people, alleged followers of a pacifist socialist Messiah, so keen to get out in the world and start killing people who worship a slightly different version of the self same God they profess to love?
The reactionary Charles Maurras used to, "I'm an atheist, but a catholic one": they may be less conscious than Maurras, but they're only in *for the external trappings* - rites and decorum - of an organized, hierarchical church, and, and that is less anodyne, *for its socially normative powers*.
The very last thing most of the world wants is another official crusade. The only people who want crusades are people who want to murder in the name of the cross. Not even Jesus' name, the name of the thing that killed him.
He's not gonna be happy if he actually hears the things Leo is saying, doesn't really seem the 'You cannot follow Christ and the cruelty of Kings' kinda guy.
Self-righteous religious people are fucking terrifying. Such people would sign up to commit atrocities if they think it furthers the agenda of their deity.
I agree. That’s probably the case for a lot of them, but I’m also aware of just how corrosive belief can be to people’s personalities over time. It can convert a person from moderation & decency to extremism & justification for atrocities.
I'm actually related to Baldwin, I'm a descendant of Baldwin/Flandriae among other Houses like Carolus, Meroveus, Capet, Rurikid, Dunkeld, Alpin, Wessex, Normaundie (Montagu's original attributes), Plantagenet, Savoy, Jiménez, and Íñiguez
Hopefully this guy is completely ignorant about the crusades. Or he thinks there should be a rival pope who overturns the sixth commandment so a bunch of mercenaries could rape, loot and pillage and still get to heaven.
“I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube.”
Dr. Martin Luther King, jr (https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm)
I guess he should understand the Catholic Church a little better, if the church ever re-militarizes, we're going after the Christian heretics first. Hypothetically of course.
To be a Christian hero is to do the things like love strangers. You see this in stuff like the Dream of the Rood which is a poem about Jesus' crucifixion written like a heroic poem.
@komaniecki.bsky.social are you expecting these apparently fervent Christians to have read as esoteric a text as The Sermon on the Mount or the Great Commissioning?
Those messages about loving your neighbor and treating the poor well are so hard to find in the Bible, only on every page or so.
Right? You're willing to die in a crusade but not learn to celebrate people who are different from you. And if we're talking Central/South American immigrants and refugees, a large portion of them are fellow Catholics!
My husband is a cradle Catholic (now lapsed but his sister is still very much Catholic) and I went to Catholic school despite not being Catholic myself. We're from Pittsburgh. That's working class, ethnic, cultural Catholicism and my teachers were all liberation theologists in the 80s too.
I mean the movie wasn't really about good guys, but actually that guy, the Leper King was basically "a good guy" in the filem who basically opposed doing lots of violence, and then when he dies his heir does lots of violence.
It's not exactly historically accurate, but that guy quite literally
The Kingdom of Heaven movie portrays Muslims in a very positive light while showing Christian leaders to be craven opportunists there to loot the Holy Lands. Christians are not the heroes.
"forced" catholics(to born in a majority catholic country):"praying" that the new pope isn't a nazi.
neo-catholics: let's go on crusades!
"más papistas que el papa"
@capnborscht.bsky.social please do something to make your fash kids stop converting because, as someone who for years had to wake up at 6 am every Sunday to go to the Children's Mass, these weirdos are slowly killing me by cringe. 😰
new converts, specially americans of american origin christian protestant sects, are always awlful, a bunch of people who simply think it is some sort of aesthetic or about warring against the faithless pagans
go to church and shut up
Man I haven’t been to church in like months but all the kids can come live in my house if their parents throw them out and I guess I better take some CLE on immigration law for some pro bono to make up for Trump being awful.
Including photos from Kingdom of Heaven as if that movie and the king in the picture he posted aren’t all explicitly anti crusades. I guess he’s media illiterate on top of everything else. 🫠
It’s not so much that they love the pope so much that they’d do anything he says, it’s that they love the pope AND hate middle easterners, so the second doesn’t cancel out the first.
I can hardly tolerate those that claim to be Christian but then use and abuse scripture and Christ’s teachings to dehumanize, ostracize and simply hate on others. This is not what our faith is about! Violent fanaticism in the name of God is not holy or just.
The Walking Dead is an excellent show for its first four seasons, but it definitely led to a bunch of dudes who falsely learned the lesson of “when society falls, I will rise to the top” as if the entire show isn’t about how people use societal collapse to justify their sadistic power trips.
Well 99% of the time the zombie fiction's point is that the shambling rotting dudes are barely a concern. The things to be scared of are the trigger happy people that are enjoying the collapse of society
A chap in the zombie fiction research community (for yup this is a thing) commented to me that zombie fiction is very unusual in that it attracts viewers from more than one side of the political spectrum for completely different reasons. It's an incredible Rorschach blot of a subgenre.
Sounds like the current US admin. They seem to think the rest of the world are zombie NPCs. Explains their indifference to the rights of Canadians, Greenlanders, Gazans, etc etc not to mention casting allies aside.
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they yearn for the fictionalised hero status, nothing more
Truly the worst kind of white guy.
Pope Leo is going to keep speaking out for compassion towards immigrants. tRUmp isn't going to like that, and magafolk are going to turn on the Pope with a vengeance.
I can't wait to see how Vance tries to stand on both sides of that confrontation.
Nah, man.
I kinda doubt this guy is gonna do any of that.
It's the "real masculinity" that's missing in modern society. 🙄
Easy
*typing*
"...what? That can't be right..."
*typing*
"Ah!"
*typing*
"ok, so Catholicism is woke, actually, and I'm Russian Orthodox now"
Adult Converts- "There's a missing preposition in the third paragraph of the German translation of a Byzantian scroll from 1408 so, technically women shouldn't be able to drive."
It's just online trollish posture, safely tucked behind his screen in his mom's basement.
No CoD either, or any game that lets you play as a fascist.
Only Hello Kitty Island Adventure until they get their degree
(Sorry adult Catholic converts like JD Vance, I’m only speaking my truth.)
Like, idk wtf is wrong with these ppl. i know its really just shitposting, but....WTF?
This guy's image of God tells much about him and nothing about God.
Truly, the thing I hate most about people who use Kingdom of Heaven screenshots, is their inability to recognize that they often spit in the face of what Baldwin truly wanted, much like they do towards Christ as well.
/S, but I shouldn't have to say it
Like, my guy, if you are a normal working class "nobody" in *today's* world, I have bad news about what your life in the past would've been.
I doubt that will ever happen, but good luck with that. Has he heard of the current conflict there?
Has he read anything Pope Leo XIV has said previously about peace and compassion?
And by all rights purportedly my 1st cousin 28x removed if the genetic trail isn't broken. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At least the history is an interesting enough read to know the movie is bullshit.
Admittedly, I too struggle with that one. Just dont wanna give my neighbor hand jobs anymore.
He can't be both
I am talking about the fact that many ultra-conservative Catholics are profoundly anti-Semitic. If your experience is different, that’s good for you and I am glad to hear it. It doesn’t in any way make mine false.
Oh. You meant killing brown people.
He has. Are you paying attention or do you just want an excuse to kill people?
No the fuck you won't lol
Those guys: THAT'S MARXIST TALK!
Trust me, you dont want to be the goat, or you will find all times to be very long. And very hot.
Great choice?
People who say this kind of thing would probably crusade for a Klondike bar
Pope Leo: Eeeshh, no, don't do that, just welcome the stranger as though he were your own.
"Lol no."
Adrian: 🫥
not even speculation, they've done it historically and openly express desire to do it again; cuz religious imperialism / fascism. actual loony shit.
Moron: "Cool. Tell me whom to kill and point me at 'em!"
Dr. Martin Luther King, jr (https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm)
If we find a lawn mowing aficionado, we've got our commune.
The world has TOO MANY would be hero's, what it needs are thankless civil servants.
https://bsky.app/profile/designmom.bsky.social/post/3lif3ri6pws2o
Those messages about loving your neighbor and treating the poor well are so hard to find in the Bible, only on every page or so.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Fl6jRnJQeKA?si=E1-I3t9-erT2dWD5
It's not exactly historically accurate, but that guy quite literally
FFS.
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
neo-catholics: let's go on crusades!
"más papistas que el papa"
I wonder if chucklenuts here ever pitches in with physically cleaning the church, like my mother's always doing. Or is it just vibes?
go to church and shut up
Man I haven’t been to church in like months but all the kids can come live in my house if their parents throw them out and I guess I better take some CLE on immigration law for some pro bono to make up for Trump being awful.
an absolute mark of genius
It takes tremendous spiritual discipline to hold myself back from imprecatory preaching against them every hour of every day
Rapture fantasies about tribulation