Not for the first time, I find myself wondering why so many people were so easily spooked by Faragist scaremongering about an 'EU Army'... - ThreadSky

mrjamesob.bsky.social • 65 days ago

Not for the first time, I find myself wondering why so many people were so easily spooked by Faragist scaremongering about an 'EU Army'...

Reposted from The Independent

EU tells 450 million people to stockpile 72 hours of supplies amid risk of war

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mickb123.bsky.social•65 days ago

At least this thread has identified some of the morons who hoarded toilet paper during the pandemic.

simonoffthecuff.bsky.social•64 days ago

Well - not for the first time has the voting population made me wonder if they live in some quantum parallel universe. Only problem seems to be there’s a portal and they keep invading my reality 🤦🏻‍♂️ #TRUMP #Reform #Farage ##MAGA

dazzy34.bsky.social•65 days ago

I’m alright, I’ve still got hundreds of loo rolls hoarded from the pandemic emergency.

luxjude352.bsky.social•65 days ago

Stories like these serve to remind us that it was a MAJOR strategic error by the #Biden Administration to not let #Ukraine to win the war in 2022. By rationing arms, they made it a policy to halt what they thought might be a bigger problem of a collapsed Russian Federation. To quote Julia Roberts..

chrislepkowski.bsky.social•65 days ago

You and I both. They look more parochial by the day

richardandl.bsky.social•65 days ago

I'm in France (rural) and have enough stockpiled for months. We have, in the past, been caught either by snowfall or storms and been unable to leave the house for a couple of weeks. Consequently I always have more than enough stored.

idasmum.bsky.social•65 days ago

We too (rural France) have plenty of food however it's those perishables that need re-thinking. After Art today will shop for Mousiline 🤢 because it will be a handy store cupboard thing.
Tinned food, T Rolls, rice & coffee. (oh and water).
I cannot believe we're having to think this way.

waynestuart.bsky.social•65 days ago

Doesn’t matter what the advice, rule, regulation, agreement is. It only matters that if a forriner had any part in it, then it must be resisted.

mjgfaekbt.bsky.social•65 days ago

Good to know that a war would only shut the shops for 3 days though 🤣

hankwankford.bsky.social•65 days ago

The 3 days is just enough time to 'get your affairs in order'

standaman60.bsky.social•65 days ago

Your Occado Order is being delivered at 17:30 by Matt in one of the new delivery vehicles.

neiltansley.bsky.social•65 days ago

It's incredible how well he's adopted the 'control' narrative. Talking about control over our armed forces, control over our borders.

His supporters should fear that he wants to control their lives, but are too busy fawning over his "anti-establishment" rhetoric, despite being the establishment.

fryern10.bsky.social•61 days ago

Unfortunately. Farage is one of these people who have the knack of being listened to and is capable of drawing huge crowds. It’s easy to be like this while not in power. Alternative views are listened to when Labour and Conservatives are doing the same old stuff.

badgersgetabadname.bsky.social•65 days ago

What do you think Putin`s name on the thread was?
The other Goldberg?

Whatever happened to the Russia report?

paulfrance.bsky.social•65 days ago

I think the upshot was security services didn’t find any evidence, because it was instructed not to look for any.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/just-what-does-the-uk-russia-report-say-key-points-explained

badgersgetabadname.bsky.social•65 days ago

Thank you. That was my understanding.
I always read the opening to reports and investigations.

"The purpose is not to find guilt or fault but to learn lessons"

Its not very good

ballooonmh.bsky.social•65 days ago

The trouble with democracy is that it made the mistake of thinking that by providing universal free education we could remove stupidity.

mialp.bsky.social•64 days ago

Farage is a self-proclaimed admirer of Putin & Hitler. Not sure where that leaves his followers & Reform voters who claim to be British patriots & supporters of UK armed forces, especially veterans.

riotgrandma.bsky.social•64 days ago

In the same basket as MAGA - and given the way the media platforms him and *hints* continuously that he will be the next PM, he might well get enough councillors/MPs.
Nobody believed Trump would be reelected.

wingletang.bsky.social•64 days ago

Seem to recall Widdecombe sounding of about it too !

motosunburn.bsky.social•64 days ago

I never understood people's hysteria about joining an "EU Army". After all, we have handed over control of our forces to the US for decades under the mantle of NATO.

arthurassendune.bsky.social•65 days ago

We know why....

divefire.bsky.social•64 days ago

Also this is mostly a political stand, effectively saying, the EU is not scared of Russia or the US and will do what it must. That's where the whole defense policy plan comes in.

divefire.bsky.social•64 days ago

It tends to get very national on a political level when you talk about combining defense policies. Farage took advantage of that, no doubt Russia helped.

inthespotlight755.bsky.social•65 days ago

WTF...REFORM UK MP's support gr**ming gangs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-c4qdF-zS4

inthespotlight755.bsky.social•65 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/politicsintheuk.bsky.social/post/3llc2l2q7r22r

article19.co.uk•65 days ago

that headline is wildy misleading, it is not "incase of war" it's to cover many things, like power outages, supply problems, natural disasters.... etc

urban1yoga.bsky.social•64 days ago

Yes that is the message we have here in Belgium. It’s more to do with supply chain. Plus Trump’s tariffs 🤔

kindofnorthern.bsky.social•65 days ago

Yep - and individual govts have been doing this for a while already.

thedrammed.bsky.social•65 days ago

Conscription to an EU army was big at the time, nothing was heard about it after the referendum, purely scare tactics.

brizo75.bsky.social•65 days ago

What happens after the 72nd hour?

joep90.bsky.social•64 days ago

EU Army, you mean different countries chipping in a bit to have a super strong army and saving money in the process? I am sure there were reasons not to want it...

rabidcormorant.bsky.social•65 days ago

War and pandemic and other things. Not just war but that's how it's being reported.

It's a general preparedness thing rather than a bombs-are-coming thing as I understand it

sandypuke.bsky.social•65 days ago

The strongest argument for this stance, at least that I heard, was that our generals might not understand a foreign language and do something hazardous to a war effort.

OK, maybe ’strongest’ isn’t really an appropriate descriptor.

martinmto.bsky.social•64 days ago

Majority are in NATO anyway.

hodmanjohn.bsky.social•64 days ago

In order for history to repeat itself, you have to wait a generation in order for dangerous individuals such a Farage to be able to condition the minds of people with limited education and who never experienced the birth of fascism in the 1930's.

mja66.bsky.social•65 days ago

The same ones who thought the entire population of Turkey was itching to move to Kent, no doubt.

Drip fed paranoia and snake oil over decades and no media that can effectively counter the BS.

shortbreadfairy.bsky.social•64 days ago

Because it would make the EU a military force that could stand up to Putin and a mulitary force to be reckoned with. There's only about 170,00 Russians & 350,000 Americans. Boots on the ground is what Russia doesn't have by itself and if you take the hardware out of it, it's poor odds

jaksays.bsky.social•65 days ago

Well that's pretty terrifying

Reminds me of the early 80s and the government pamphlets on what to do in case of nuclear attack, which was largely "get under a table and kiss your ass goodbye"

jeffm2018.bsky.social•65 days ago

Sirens tested often.
"Threads"

jamessh0000.bsky.social•65 days ago

I'm getting my rations ready

sanakism.bsky.social•65 days ago

Because half the country has been mainlining weird WW2 nostalgia-fetishism for the last sixty-plus years and are too monolingual and xenophobic to realise that the only realistic threat to worry about comes from Farage's mates in Europe, not the EU?

urban1yoga.bsky.social•64 days ago

Here in Belgium we have been told to get iodine tablets too 🤔🤔

auldskater.bsky.social•64 days ago

what are they supposed to do after 72 hours???

fathomdeep.bsky.social•64 days ago

72 hours would in most situations give time for help to arrive.

nannywine.bsky.social•64 days ago

Or there won't be anything left after 72 hours

auldskater.bsky.social•64 days ago

That's my thought. At least if they resort to nuclear, we'll most likely all go together!

channingwalton.bsky.social•64 days ago

Wasn’t there always an EU army?

It comprises the French division, German division, etc. …

saiafish.bsky.social•65 days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5UjhgrpAp0

eddy-star-nfl805.bsky.social•64 days ago

RATIONING ON THE WAY ?

popcornreel.bsky.social•65 days ago

For some reason I instantly thought about “Threads” that chilling 1980s film about a nuclear attack. That’s what I harkened back to when I read this story….

tensegrityfan.bsky.social•65 days ago

Not for the first time, the Independent is happy publishing raw disaster-porn clickbait, just for shits 'n giggles.

sarahhpraia.bsky.social•65 days ago

Except, in this case, it's exactly what the EU are doing.

tensegrityfan.bsky.social•65 days ago

Yeah. But having turned itself into yet another internet crank, it’s now impossible to know when to take the Independent seriously anymore.

jim1132.bsky.social•65 days ago

Perhaps the Russians tipped Nigel the wink that the EU might need an army in a few years?

nhslabrat.bsky.social•65 days ago

I've always wondered why people had a problem with a European Army. We have NATO and JEF, why do we not have something that covers the whole of Europe? What would the numbers be if the whole of Europe combined their armed forces?

lornajan.bsky.social•65 days ago

Anyone who was watching the US closely or who visited recently could see what could be coming our way.

rhuarhii.bsky.social•64 days ago

We don’t just need an EU army. We need an integrated EU defense industry that has a supply chain that does not rely on the US for any parts or software

ephiriel.bsky.social•65 days ago

Oops! I obviously missed the memo and I’ve just finished up my slice pan!

pammaultypam.bsky.social•65 days ago

Is it going to be the toilet roll saga all over again?

pammaultypam.bsky.social•65 days ago

Oh ‘eck!

nessa68.bsky.social•65 days ago

An EU army would be putins worst nightmare and the UK would have been much stronger. So those shouting otherwise ,you need to ask yourself who they are shouting for .

joep90.bsky.social•64 days ago

And would have saved money too

emrysmyrddin.bsky.social•65 days ago

*Start* stockpiling? Wayyy ahead of ‘em.

vibedancer.bsky.social•65 days ago

Out of interest, what happens after 72 hours?

jimyoungfun.bsky.social•64 days ago

Ha ha ha exactly 😂

mrmusichead.bsky.social•65 days ago

I think I have enough herb to last the year out. Will need to deal with the chocolate supply

mrmusichead.bsky.social•65 days ago

The sticking point would be leadership, divergent equipment and coordination wouldn’t it?

bryank1.bsky.social•65 days ago

I imagine Russia would not be a fan of an EU army. Strange how much scaremongering fits in with what Russia wants.

monkey666.bsky.social•65 days ago

It’s as though the “policies” of Reform were being dictated by the Kremlin. Obviously a complete coincidence. It’s not as if FagRage or Reform have received any monies from Russia or Russian entities!

cornbeef.bsky.social•65 days ago

I stumbled across this the other day and binged it! A lot I already knew, but a lot I didn't!

https://open.spotify.com/show/3Bliwp7kqHcy9BBGbI7vya?si=FJLFiNWSRl-VFU3-g1Xc8Q

monkey666.bsky.social•65 days ago

Thanks 🤩

emaj7th.bsky.social•65 days ago

It is a very good documentary

jacquelshaw.bsky.social•65 days ago

It's brilliant and explains such alot about the events of the last 10 to 15 years.

dshappyboi.bsky.social•65 days ago

and still even as late as this week i was told rassiun influence in politics is over exaggerated by lefty conspiracy theorists.

active measures was always a slow burner, hint-hint-nudge-nudge and offering 💰 to a small handful of self-interest driven people with big sway in public/political life.

cornbeef.bsky.social•65 days ago

Isn't it!? I had no idea about the Digital BBQ's etc.

As you say, it tied a lot of disparate 'oddities' together to explain a lot.

drmargaretprior.bsky.social•65 days ago

My thoughts entirely - even if we already knew big chunks of it, it demonstrated the links between them. Jaw-dropping at times.

hankwankford.bsky.social•65 days ago

Nail, hammer, meet head.

BANG!

rosielytes.bsky.social•65 days ago

I’ve wondered that at the time but thought I must be missing something. Clearly I wasn’t.

leylandcacti.bsky.social•65 days ago

with the increased threat from Putin and the Mad Orange in the Whitehouse, suddenly a European army looks like an excellent idea!

urban1yoga.bsky.social•64 days ago

US have bases in Europe and EU is concerned that attacks could come from both Russia and US. Very scary times.

geta52.bsky.social•64 days ago

I am currently in an European country...and yes is true
Only every tv news channel this subject has been added to the nation
People are advised to be prepared.....
And yes, this country is neighbour with Ukraine and Russia 🤦‍♀️

quackster709.bsky.social•65 days ago

No need for an EU Army if European countries hadn't cut their militaries in a huge cost cutting exercise. European countries shouldn't have taken advantage of the US by cutting all their own militaries and relying on the US for any conflict when they are the ones most 'at risk'
#Trumpwasright
😉

divefire.bsky.social•64 days ago

Spending was fine, joined up policy on defense spending reduced after the fall of the USSR and the USA liked leveraging its power as the only Super Power left were some of the problems.

pascalr57.bsky.social•65 days ago

And once again going for an option which only favours Russia.

martysparks.bsky.social•64 days ago

Oh dear, will I find toilet paper on the shelves tomorrow. Better start ripping up my newspapers.

hawksland.bsky.social•64 days ago

Hmm, wonder when the UK government will give advice? It'll be a run on toilet rolls first.

greywildwolf.bsky.social•64 days ago

A concept of which you have little understanding can be easily manipulated. In the context of 2015/2016 it didn't seem as urgent. Only under the collapse of the US during wartime in Europe has the general public been enlightened to the understanding of its importance.

lila7.bsky.social•64 days ago

72 hours is nothing.

Imagine in the build up to any previous war being told to prepare for only 3 days.

gkcc1.bsky.social•65 days ago

Another brexit benefit, when oh when will labour demand a re-entry into EU and the EU demand that we cannot have another referendum to leave door at least 50 years.

dingledog.bsky.social•65 days ago

Clearly I am going to have to reduce my massively overstocked larder then to get it to just 3 days worth of food. I know I'm lucky and not everyone might have 3 days of food, but I reckon we would have significantly more than that.

marykaty.bsky.social•65 days ago

Surely most people have enough dried, tinned and frozen food to last a week. My main worry would be a long term loss of utilities, especially water.

nickinjr.bsky.social•65 days ago

Water purification tabs....

fathomdeep.bsky.social•64 days ago

A good water filter can help you cope with that eventuality.

trueseadog.bsky.social•65 days ago

The english water companies have been working on organising a permanent outage for a while now.

matt-fitzpatrick.bsky.social•65 days ago

What need GB for such pansies - sure havent you got Lee Anderson

dougfaisal.bsky.social•65 days ago

Yeah but those 450 million are the reason we can’t get a doctors appointment and why we have so much traffic. Mic drop.

urban1yoga.bsky.social•64 days ago

What you blaming 450 million people who live in EU countries??

dougfaisal.bsky.social•64 days ago

alexisharrow.bsky.social•64 days ago

Is this sarcasm?

dougfaisal.bsky.social•64 days ago

🤔

allangpaterson.bsky.social•65 days ago

Were we still in the EU, we'd be helping lead it!

notjobloggs.bsky.social•64 days ago

Because he, various elements of the media and the likes of Johnson told them to be.

millymia8.bsky.social•64 days ago

And why Johnson and Fartage should always have been questioned about their Ru ties over brexit.

thumbstone.bsky.social•65 days ago

Cui bono?

honestdrjohn.bsky.social•65 days ago

If they think I'm reducing my stockpile to 72 hours they can think again.
I've still got 6 months worth of bog paper from the last panic (well, not 'panic'...planning *well* ahead).
I think there are still some candles in the attic that my parents bought during the 1974 fuel crisis or 3-day week.

paulcurtinuk.bsky.social•65 days ago

I may be going off track a bit here but remember the Panama Papers? What happened there? It just seemed to disappear

foodologistgirl.bsky.social•64 days ago

Along with the Russian report

adywhitwell.bsky.social•65 days ago

An EU defence force is a very sensible option. Use what each country has to offer

70millionwelcome.bsky.social•63 days ago

Careful what you wish for. Imagine a Le Pen, and AfD in charge of an EU army. Imagine Britain in an EU army in bloody 1939.

calesiano.bsky.social•65 days ago

Fartage plays the oracle of a future he believes people want. Since he appears to be under the thrall of Drumpf who clearly does not want him and in favour of Pootsie, is he not aware of what would happen if either controlled his UK. He would be banged up as all politicos often are.

heptaglemious.bsky.social•65 days ago

An EU army sounds like a *really* good idea right about now.

davemitchellarts.bsky.social•65 days ago

robpountney.bsky.social•65 days ago

Sorry...

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