Not knowing a lot but thinking you know a lot is pretty standard for youth voters. Being raised in such a sound bite driven ecosystem… well, it will make them particularly insufferable.
She's correct tho, there is so much disinformation within pro-palestine movements (and pro-isarael as well) its insane. Turns out a complex, history-dense conflict is not something you will understand from a bunch of tiktoks.
She lied about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction to justify a war. It's in her interest to lie about conflicts when the US has something to gain from them
You literally have "propaganda" in your handle, your opinion is meaningless. Mby trying to fit ppl into good and bad boxes, instead of trying to understand the events is not the way. Even braindead trump can sometimes say something true (although probably by accident)
You guys seriously need more than 2 parties. The D as a big tent is a nice concept but not all enemies of my enemy are friendly. Specifically: warmonger corporate lying plutocrats.
you’re objectively incorrect. She was right about everything, sorry man. Maybe you Bernie Brothers shoulda figured out how to successfully campaign for Black primary votes in the southern states.
How ignorant of the students to protest the bombing and starvation of innocent people!
Israel is just like Nazi Germany, and Zionists are just like Nazis.
Which history? Let me guess, are you going to argue that Israel has the right to expel or kill all the Palestinians from the land that they think belongs to them?
She is far from perfect, but Wow!, were her remarks taken out of context. She was teaching at Columbia on October 7th last year.
She was talking about her experience on campus.
You should listen to her in an interview or two before condemning her.
Her experience with Gen Z is very consistent with what other teachers and sociologists have found. Gen Z doesn’t read more than ten pages about any topic, if that.
Apart from Bill's rapes, the thing both Clintons lie about most is Israel and Arafat (whom Bill mendaciously insists "walked away" from a peace deal.) That lie has killed thousands and thousands of people. https://x.com/schwarz/status/1864877662163890346
Yes, the woman who was so terrible she gifted trump an election and reignited the Republican party's ability to win elections. No one has done more damage to the DNC than the Clinton's. Go back under the rock.
So many things here…I’m in agreement with her that it’s my experience that most young people don’t understand the complexities of the Middle East. And I certainly can’t say I do other than what I’ve seen and read in my life, which is why I’m anti-Netanyahu, pro-Palestine, pro-peace.
She'sRight.&She won th popular vote in 2016 by millions. So what?Ppl in ths country ARE ignorant of Hstry,Civics+Govt. HRC may B a Warhawk on Nat'lSecurity, but she nevr rippd apart ourNat'lSecurityLaws,Protexns,Infrastruxr+Wrk4ce. Nor did she P!$$ AllOverOurConstituxn! Bondi,Trump+Hegseth did THAT.
She was raised in a Republican household.
In high school, it's true, she was a Goldwater Girl.
While in college she became a serious supporter of Eugene McCarthy, the most Left anti-war candidate.
She was and is a conservative. She does whatever is convenient for her political career. She staunchly opposed LGBTQ+ rights up to the point that it was politically inconvenient and refers to poeple of color as "super predators". If not for her Bernie wins the nom and we never have trump.
Yeah….thats quite the over simplification for a multi-nation affair involving Europe and the Middle East. Plus, this is America, we have our own slave labor population, did Hilary create that too? Did she cause slavery in the other African nations? Or did you ignore history and facts to demonize?
The Democrats want to win elections, but are only interested in it if they win the “right” way. By that I mean by winning over center-right neocons who haven’t existed as a voting bloc since about 2008.
Young, old, in my experience most people are stupid. The fixation of Old Guard Dems on overt displays of fealty to Israel has become a grotesque ritual of supporting what they also claim is unsupportable. Cognitive dissonance at its most severe. It is a sickness that is literally killing people. 🤬
she could easily do what Robert Reich dies on social media. She was Sec of State and 1st lady, she's traveled and been briefed on countries & history so let her do 5 min TikToks or post info bits as vids. Do something to help the youth learn rather than criticize.
"And if you don't stand with Palestinians you ain't winning Michigan, kamala if you're listening"
She IMMEDIATELY lost locked in blue states when Bill Clinton said "we don't need you".
If you don't support Gaza
You're no liberal.
And that's not a no true Scotsman, it's fact.
No, I'm furious with people who saw both options and decided a known fascist with a playbook for everything he would do (project 2025) wasn't worth voting against.
Democracy is a personal responsibility of each person. If you want someone to make hard decisions for you, go live in a dicatorship.
If politics were that simple, every fumble the Democrats made to allow a fascist to take the executive branch wouldn’t have mattered. But they did. And I hold them accountable.
That's not how democracy works. It was YOUR choice to vote or not vote for Dems. Multiply that by the voting population.
Dems don't elect themselves, the power rests in the people, they are the ones who need to be held accountable for failing to stop a fascist from getting elected.
I think people often forget the authoritarians on the left in congress often are united with Republicans in suppressing progressive pushes in the legislature. Just now, calling the upcoming impeachment vote in the house, "a publicity stunt".
I also wasn't refering to my vote.
I'm in California. I felt it was best to support Harris. Clinton completely destroyed her campaign with his anti semetic "we don't need your vote" refering to Palestinian supporters IN MICHIGAN just weeks before the election!
@mehdirhasan.bsky.social
Only 10? :(
House democrats also called the current impeachment motion a "publicity stunt".
No, it's a hail Mary to save our democracy from a brazen tyrant.
Anyone who votes to table, has no business claiming they uphold any oath to the constitution or the authority of the us Supreme Court.
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Yes, she’s correct.
She called them ignorant.
And in many cases, she's correct.
Israel is just like Nazi Germany, and Zionists are just like Nazis.
Of course the students are right to protest the genocide in Palestine. (You know the difference between stupidity and ignorance, right?)
The point--hers and mine--is specifically that so many of them didn't know the history.
Don't "guess."
I have been a serious anti-Zionist for over 50 years.
You?
She was talking about her experience on campus.
You should listen to her in an interview or two before condemning her.
https://x.com/schwarz/status/1864877662163890346
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2011/06/19/lies-damn-lies-and-reports-battlefield-atrocities
End them.
In high school, it's true, she was a Goldwater Girl.
While in college she became a serious supporter of Eugene McCarthy, the most Left anti-war candidate.
Spare us this old tired bullshit.
If you blame Hillary for trump, FU.
Maybe you don't remember . . .
I supported Bernie in the 2016 caucus here. I'd been supporting him since he first ran for mayor of Burlington in 1981. You?
I'm sure we agree on like 95% of stuff.
Take care.
I appreciate that you're on board.
But maybe slow down a bit with assumptions and wanting to jump to re-litigating Hillary v Bernie forever.
His politics were too old in 2020. imo
She IMMEDIATELY lost locked in blue states when Bill Clinton said "we don't need you".
If you don't support Gaza
You're no liberal.
And that's not a no true Scotsman, it's fact.
Democracy is a personal responsibility of each person. If you want someone to make hard decisions for you, go live in a dicatorship.
Dems don't elect themselves, the power rests in the people, they are the ones who need to be held accountable for failing to stop a fascist from getting elected.
I'm in California. I felt it was best to support Harris. Clinton completely destroyed her campaign with his anti semetic "we don't need your vote" refering to Palestinian supporters IN MICHIGAN just weeks before the election!
@mehdirhasan.bsky.social
Only 10? :(
They aren't democrats.
No, it's a hail Mary to save our democracy from a brazen tyrant.
Anyone who votes to table, has no business claiming they uphold any oath to the constitution or the authority of the us Supreme Court.