That progressive voters who might otherwise have voted for her / preferenced her, may not have, because they didn’t like her failure to speak out against genocide. I am not in her electorate, but she certainly isn’t the person I thought she was.
For those still not understanding this election win.
He won on postal votes.
Saturdays are holy days were Jews do not work or play or vote so they do postal votes.
Goldstein - its on the name - its a predominately Jewish community.
This time he ran as a "Zionist" to get votes
Our system is great but it sometimes doesn't work. For example, where I am, an Independent backed by Climate 200 had a strong campaign and came second ahead of Labor but probably most of those voting for that Independent would have put Labor 2nd and therefore it was LNP/Lab . It stayed LNP☹️.
Ignorance of the preferential voting system is to blame I suspect. People need to understand putting those you think least of last is almost as important as putting those you think most of first.
The reverse of that is also true, that a lot of people wanted Labor to win but put a not so strong independent in front as a protest to Labor inaction on certain issues and put the Libs last
the #Facist Nursing Home votes & postal votes of those who can't vote on Saturdays aligned so beautifully with the Greens-take-down & #Misogyny of #Advance
I haven't seen the materials but apparently there was a particularly nasty campaign against her in the seat.
Time political advertising rules were changed. People know its all rubbish which is why they vote early to try to short circuit it.
The ones that were fooled by the the fake #LNP postal vote scam and sent them back thinking it was an official #AEC form.
Of course the #AEC won't investigate
The AEC must look at this. There’s already been a recommendation that this kind of thing must stop (but the major parties dumped it). It’s got to be bought up again, this is a rort of the political system.
Yes the Libs are famous for this old "vote-stacking at nursing homes" trick, but there's been massive money and postal vote tricks from powerful RW lobby groups like Advance and certain semi religious zealots.
Can I just say … the Jewish community did not produce this result. They are at best 5.5% of the electorate and do not vote en bloc. Catholics on the other hand are 23% and the Catholic Education Office published a shit sheet about Zoe not (wrongly), supporting funding for private schools. 🤮
Yes, that's the article where I sourced the fact that the seat of Goldstein has 8.8 per cent of voters who are Jewish, not the 5.5 per cent you claimed.
What I have not done—and will not do—is make a commitment amid an election campaign to further increases without proper scrutiny, consultation, and a transparent, evidence-based process. That’s not a rejection of Catholic education. It’s responsible governance.
Zoe voted in favour of government legislation 56% of the time, (126 time out of 224) but only supported the Coalitions motions 42% of the time (56 times out of 133)
I seriously doubt that Tim & the Libs would do the same
The current Labor leadership literally tried to wedge The Greens for opposing a genocide. I’m guessing you also believe Labor has effective climate and biodiversity policies 🤷
That’s a big stretch from what I said but perhaps I wasn’t clear. TBC contrary to your assertion, no Labor voter, rusted-on or not, would preference Trumpets above Greens, and it’s complete nonsense to suggest that they would.
Can't speak for Goldstein, but in Monash we have 5% informal and the overwhelming majority are never just a 1 in any candidates box. More likely bad handwriting, incorrect numbering or no numbers filled at all.
Not in mine or other scrutineers experience. As someone who has handed out HTV cards for an Indy, we always say "and number every box". It's also repeated on the actual card. So there should be no issue.
Ultimately it's voter education on preference voting, many just don't understand it.
Yes. Is Clive Palmer’s project baby, using election rules to be able to spew right wing garbage everywhere without being fact checked. All to help skew the vote
I saw a few Lib 1, Lab 2 in Monash on Saturday night. Suspicion they are anti-independent votes. Otherwise, majority of Lab and Greens had Deb Leonard as either 2, or at least higher than Lib and Lab.
Old people who never even left their care homes, but whose names were known by groups of partisan aged care workers --- maybe? Of course that couldn't possibly be true.
People have very short memories! One of the mouth pieces in the 2019 Franking Credits! That played on people's hip pockets! Hence lost opportunity for work on Negative Gearing and Tax Reform!
I said after the 2022 election that ALP would be very well advised working enthusasically with the teals and supporting their communities, locking the Liberals out of those seats, and potentially government for the foreseeable. Instead they sidelined them and tried to starve them of resources 🤷🤷🤷
Having worked the phones for polling many years ago, I can assure you that there are a LOT of people out there with uninformed or completely nonsensical voting patterns. Don't try to make too much sense of it.
There would be a lot of people who just think of it as a two horse race, or only know of Labor and Liberal, and vote accordingly. They probably wouldn't have a clue who Zoe is. Let alone Tim for that matter.
Then you have my crazy left field theory, that there were some LNP voters who wanted to lodge a protest vote against the LNP but still wanted the LNP to win. So pref an unwinnable candidate first, then LNP. But you'd think that would go to any of the numerous whackos on the ballot, not ALP/Greens.
I doubt many Greens voters preferenced Tim above Zoe. They're too engaged as a voting bloc. The votes would have bled out from Labor first prefs primarily (Zoe would have picked up some prefs from the other fringe candidates but not enough to fully counteract the bleed)
Ah but Wilson (or helpers) had a letter sent to parents with kids at Catholic schools. Plenty of them wouldn't know Tim was gay. Remember Morrison gave Catholic lobby group $1.6 Billion - no strings attached, to shut up their criticism? Didn't even need to spend on schools!
Yes, but then religious orgs are generally self serving.
Though, if they wish to be involved in politics they need to start paying taxes. They don't get to have it both ways.
It just shows you there percentage of the voting public who do not understand the Democratic process or actually understand the candidates and where they’re coming from. They have no idea of the bigotry and racism of Pauline Hanson and also where the Libertarians come from which is extreme.
As a scrutineer I can tell you that’s not how it works. Lots of people don’t follow the HTV. Lots of Labor will never vote Liberal above greens, indies etc and vice versa.
How to vote cards would not exist, if a decent proportion of voters were not influenced by them. They are junk mail to many of us, but they show who the parties really are, and they are effective.
At no point did I say they were ineffective. People use them as a guide, others follow them to the letter. It’s a mix. But lots of people don’t follow them. That doesn’t mean they are useless or ineffective.
& a voters preferences aren't controlled by candidates or parties, preferences are a voters choice, whether it be a choice to following a HTV or by making their own.
We might not like their choice but it's their right to make them, just like we had a right to make ours.
Looking through the stats on the ABC site, it looks like very many Australian voters are completely random, or very confused. Not much of it makes sense, but the marketing must be significant enough for them to push.
Seems odd that so many people cross the streams regardless of influence.
Labor and Liberal run a very successful duopoly.
They don't lose, we vote one of them out, and vote them back in next time, or the time after that.
The duopoly wins.
Many Labor voters believe that Labor are still for the workers, that they are still a centre-left wing party, even that they are "progressive".
We have Labor in government, as much as we have the coalition in government, so we know that is not true.
There is this ideology held by some ALP & Greens that you have to "vote strategically" because an independent that actually works for their constituents is "far worse" than an apparatchik from a competing party.
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I fucking hate party politics.
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He won on postal votes.
Saturdays are holy days were Jews do not work or play or vote so they do postal votes.
Goldstein - its on the name - its a predominately Jewish community.
This time he ran as a "Zionist" to get votes
Might as well have led with 'Proud child killer' 🤢
How TF do they sleep at night.
Tim is sooo authentic, it oozes out of his pores. Gentile one day, semite the next.
Absolutely disgraceful result.
Was all over the shop. Scrutineering was a tough, at times jaw dropping gig this election.
You guys at TAI and Guardian bring it in at election time, not convinced that the general public are grasping the facts of it all.
But my thanks.
Time political advertising rules were changed. People know its all rubbish which is why they vote early to try to short circuit it.
Perhaps Zionists
ALP and Greens voters in Goldstein preferenced Tim Wilson above Zoe Daniels. #auspol.
Obvs people had their own ideas. As is their right.
Democracy doing its thing.
Z10s.
drinking Kardonnay before they pick up their kids from Brighton Grammar .
Of course the #AEC won't investigate
Have they done the full flow/allocation of preferences?
I'm sure Greens prefos would have flowed to Zoe...make it make sense plz
13.4% of Greens & 18.5% of Labor preference flowed to the Libs, unfathomable yes, but nonetheless true
People don’t always follow party HTVs & it is still Liberal heartland after all
Some Jewish people who voted Daniel last time have very likely gone to the Libs (rather than Wilson as a personal vote) as a reaction.
Ffs.
#auspol
Zoe voted in favour of government legislation 56% of the time, (126 time out of 224) but only supported the Coalitions motions 42% of the time (56 times out of 133)
I seriously doubt that Tim & the Libs would do the same
Donkey voters perhaps?
Ultimately it's voter education on preference voting, many just don't understand it.
Without looking it up my American ass assumes this has something to do with Queensland. It feels Queensland.
Yes 18.5% of Labor’s preference flowed to Libs in 22 but so did 13.4% or approx 1000 greens preferences
There’s no “fringe candidates” unless your referring to the Trumpets, who I highly doubt preferenced Zoe
Personally I think the intervention by the religious played a disappointing role.
Sadly the ABS doesn't count ppl with no heart or soul.
Though, if they wish to be involved in politics they need to start paying taxes. They don't get to have it both ways.
Coming from a rusty Laborite.😭
The coalition just above them
We might not like their choice but it's their right to make them, just like we had a right to make ours.
That's a Democracy
Seems odd that so many people cross the streams regardless of influence.
They don't lose, we vote one of them out, and vote them back in next time, or the time after that.
The duopoly wins.
We have Labor in government, as much as we have the coalition in government, so we know that is not true.
Just like everywhere else.
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I fucking hate party politics.