Couldn't agree more. But we can't ignore the fact that we haven't performed at our best this season. Dropping points at home to Villa, Brighton etc etc, we just haven't capitalised on our strengths enough. Also, we have a midfield that haven't contributed enough goals...
I love that you lot just make up little fantasies to get yourselves over the fact you’re not winning the league, again. Ali was out for 2 months, Jota, Trent, Konate, Gomez, Tsimikas, Gakpo, Mac Allister, Jones, Elliott , Bradley all been out with injuries. Trent’s Gakpo and Jota only just came back
He's a great player. Arsenal are only a few players short. But you must be raging that you weren't ready to pounce this season. Hopefully, we will do it now, and I think it will be between us two again next season.
I mean, we beat you last season. And city won 16 of 18 matches in the run in. You don't have that pressure. The only times you've had that kind of pressure, you didn't win the title either.
We won the title with an unprecedented points title before an unprecedented break. And don't pretend like your two seasons of challenging are anywhere near a 97 and 92 point season plus CL finals. You haven't lived pressure, yet. Come talk when you break 90 points please
26 wins from opening 27 games ffs - City "fell off" because they couldn't handle that heat. After the previous season of 2nd with 97 points, we knew near perfection was needed - and we DELIVERED. Talk Arteta delivers something noteworthy
Why are you lot so whiney about being called "worthy league winners"? Also you beat city. Why are you hunting down arsenal podcasts? Haven't you got anything better to do?
Good/better than average team with one of the greatest if not the greatest individual player seasons in football history from Salah. Combine that with the comedy of errors of fortune we've experienced this season what are you going to do.
Funny thing is... in a non-"City are allowed to cheat incessantly for over a decade" world we have two league titles and this is just our off/bad luck season before we go for our third title in four years. We're in a period of sustained good performance mitigated by external factors and bad luck.
But that doesn't give anyone a scapegoat or thing to point at for imagined causality so it's an unsatisfying answer for a lot of people. And yes we should analyze and try to improve but we have also overachieved in relation to resources, investment, and opposition.
What does this have to do with anything? Also player spend has almost nothing to do with points accrual it's much more closely linked to wage spend. So...what's your point?
You’re complaining City cheated to win titles and my point is Liverpool have spent less in comparison to us, and it’s just bad spending and squad management that has gotten us here. That’s my point
It’s upscale Leicester. They’re quite good and have been able to ride world class players in top form and health while everyone else is down. Fair play to them, you control what you can. Still every time I watch them, it’s like wow, they’re getting away with it again
What I think (hoping) will happen is they will win the league by 12 points minimum this season and will go into next season red hot favourites, when in fact Arsenal will be a better team all over the pitch with a fit/hungrier squad and the pundit class will be flabbergasted as to how AFC are better.
I'm reminded a lot of City last year, watching Foden smack shots into the corner from 25 yards every week and scratching my head as to why teams allowed him to do it
hopefully it results in the same calamitous fall-off next year 😭
Yeah, they’ve been better than everyone else in the league this season. I also think they’re pretty good-not-great apart from Salah’s magic and VVD’s golden halo. An underwhelming champion is still a champion of course.
In a world in which City aren’t allowed to cheat with impunity Liverpool would’ve dominated English football for arguably four if not five years, what makes you think Arsenal would’ve had a look in? Always ifs buts and maybes with Arsenal.
It's been written/talked about quite a lot but Slot's injury record at Feyernoord was excellent. He went several seasons without many injuries, including 'injury prone' players. I'm sure this will have been part of the reason he was recruited.
In fact it was a big reason as to why he was recruited along with a lot of his team. Their training sessions aren't as intense as klopp, they put a lot of emphasis into the sports science and don't have players spend too much time in the "red" & a lot of strength and conditioning work in the gym to
They also have pretty good cover in every position. Not perfect as it's impossible to have a world class 22 but those players you need to win titles (like United did so well). Celleher, Bradley, Tsimikas, Gomez, Jones (arguably in strongest 11), Elliott, the forwards can all contribute minutes.
I’m sorry I know it triggers Liverpool fans to no end but they truly are the luckiest team I’ve ever seen this year. If I were a Liverpool supporter I’d just chalk it up to being a team of destiny instead of denying it.
So where you saying Unlucky to Liverpool when they were losing titles against city despite having 90+ point seasons, or where you saying football was saved?
I would want Arsenal to win the title any year this year included. If that’s not possible and it’s between Liverpool and City I’m rooting for Liverpool every time.
We’re playing 5 games in 15 days. Everton (a), Villa (a), City (a), Newcastle (h) and Southampton (h).
This is the 2nd time we’ve had a mental run of games. The first time Arsenal fans deluded themselves into thinking our season would collapse. A good start means nothing if you can’t sustain it.
it's management of resources Slot has a 90%availability of players for the past 5 years it's one of the reasons LFC got him not luck
saying they only win because they are playing depleted teams cry me a river
if they are depleted teams they aren't full strength for arsenal either
TBF you can only play what's in front of you. They have had injuries, maybe not to their most important players but maybe that says something about their squad building and training being better? We've overplayed Saka because of lack of options. They have 6 quality forwards... 🤷♂️
I'm not sure about that, their energy management looks really good, they accelerate when there is opportunity and rest when allowed. Meanwhile, we press a lot, and for instance Declan yesterday looked tired when he was going back, which eventually led to a goal.
They’re winning the league because Mo Salah. End of story. If we had him, we would be top now. If even City had him they would be. If Liverpool didn’t, they’d be well off the pace. We had the same luck with injuries last year and couldn’t make it count, and took a punt it would somehow happen again.
That's irrelevant. We didn't do our job on or off the pitch. You could say we were injury free last season. Point is we can't control Liverpool. And the hard truth is we weren't good enough
Not really. They’re an 80-85pt team MAX. If my kid’s u12s go 100% in league of u10s…is that a wild achievement? Luck is a part of sport&life,it’s ok to just acknowledge that only ‘good’ team not decimated (&it IS decimated) by injuries won the league. Total fair play,but no need to over cook praise.
At junior level the difference between U10’s and U12’s is greater than the difference between the premier league and the conference 😂😂 are you seriously suggesting Liverpool are playing teams ranked in step 6 week in week out? 😭😭😭
It’s…an analogy pal, they’re intended to be illustrative, not literal. But OK, LFC are the only CL quality squad in league, injuries have reduced their competition to EUL quality squads👍 Happier?
Not seeing where you’re seeing bitterness? Good team, with a ton of good fortune, win the league. It would be same if it was Arsenal/Citeh/Chelski &Liverpool were one of the teams decimated by injuries. I’m also in record saying LFC owed some luck for a couple of the 115 seasons🤷♂️👍
Not really true tbh. Arsenal lost Timber day one for the whole season. Lost Jesus for most of season. BUT our season wasnt decimated by injuries&no one else’s was either. 115 were just too good. If luck reversed& afc/115/chelski etc were only top team without big injuries theyd stroll title as well
Actually this isn’t true. Many of us were pretty pleased at the stability of our defense, in particular. We did lose Timber for the whole year but had enough depth to weather it.
Remember, all fan bases aren’t monolithic: we can have varied and nuanced opinions.
It would be silly to argue that we’re better than Liverpool right now, Salah has been the best player in the world this season. It’s also okay to acknowledge we’ve had a rough trot with injuries and you’ve had quite a bit of luck/stability in that regard. Fair play, you deserve the title this year.
I use this as an example to calm jumpy fans all the time. LFC didn’t go from being a 90+ pts team to a 70pts team because they were shit, their season was wrecked by injuries&citeh strolled to title. Comes and goes, this season it’s all gone for LFC&everyone else has been killed😂
CRY MORE. Liverpool have had 99 points teams and lost the league due to a dodgy decision at Citeh's highest.
Arsenal praise an away win when they had 9 days off and beat a side that had to go to 96 funerals and played 3 extra matches in that month, including the FA Cup Final.
Huh??😂😂 1) Take a look mate, I’ve got nothing but ‘fair play’ comments to make about Liverpool this season,good team with a worldie in Salah. 2) I’ve also been clear LFC owed some luck for a couple of the 115 seasons 3)Doesn’t negate the GOOD luck they’ve had this season.
I appreciate you’re trying to be objective here but the idea that Liverpool haven’t been beset with injuries this season is daft. You can see from the below that we have had our fair share of injuries too.
No-one gave a shit when we had to play a house block at centre half in the 20/21 season!!
Plus look at signings last year. Arsenal spent another 200M, LFC 137M, 45m of which was an advanced purchase of a new goalie for 2025-2026.
So half the spend and we've apparently still got a better squad. also half of what Arsenal have spent over 10 years, so it's not just short term planning
But it's not a league that looks as if it's going to be won by luck, considering they've also had some injuries and some bad luck (and some bad finishing). Don't let Arsenal and Arteta's incompetence and self perceived importance cloud your judgement.
Huh?! ‘Self perceived importance’? Means nothing mate😂They’ve had normal ‘spot’ injuries. Citeh/AFC/Spurs have all had season destroying cluster injuries&bad finishing isn’t ‘luck’. Take a glance mate,I am VERY clear about Arsenal leadership failures👍Good luck doesn’t negate taking advantage of it👍
I just can’t get past being annoyed about my belief that Liverpool are going to win the title despite not being better in a vacuum than Arsenal this season and certainly not better than them either of the last two seasons.
Sports doesn’t ever exist in a vacuum. If we had their luck and they had ours we’d win the league. If we had equal luck who knows. But that’s not how it works, ever.
That's a stretch. Last year Liverpool were hard hit by injuries and finished 3rd. Year before they were playing with midfielders and kids at the back because the entire back line was out with season-ending injuries (narrative was "injuries are part of the game, get over it.") 92 pts season before.
If anything, the club that deserved to pick up a title with City dropping off, is #LFC, not Arsenal. Being runners-up twice on 92 and 97pts respectively is testament to that. A reminder; Arsenal have never EVER broken 90pts in the club's ENTIRE history. One season of pushing City and you got 89pts.
To me their resilience is also proof that you can overplay players and have them not get injured, and be super careful with managing minutes and still have players get hurt.
Injuries is a chaotic variable that can define your season and is (mostly) completely out of the club's control.
Fully fit? Gomez is out for the rest of the season,Trent, Kosta, Connor Bradley, Jota, Konate, and Alison have all had stints on the injured roster. Hardly a fully fit team. We are just damn lucky that the rest of the squad is so effective. If they win the league, it will be well deserved.
Or lack of depth.... nothing to rotate. Klopp left a fabulous squad and you are not penalised by referees with soft reds top in penalties awarded. Salah having the summer off a massive plus. Arsenal is not unique with injuries....so I guess by your logic every manager other than Slot is a fool.
No deflection.Well documented the next phase is focused on forwards. He hasn't had the luxury of funds from Champions League to have a Nunez , Gakpo, Jota sitting on the bench to bolster an existing world class Salah.
You are deflecting. You keep talking about Liverpool. I'm asking you how Arteta has spent that much money without having a decent strength squad at the end of it. And how many "phases" do you think the Kroenkes will give him? He's not a good manager. Get rid.
Because £600m isn’t that much in the PL. When Arteta took over
Arsenal had a dead squad in the bottom half while LFC were on their way to the title & have since spend another ~£500M in the same period…
Not to mention what Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle have spent.
The Arsenal squad that finished 5th in the PL and got to a Europa final the season before and were only as low as 8th when Emery was sacked? The same squad that won the FA Cup the same season? Not exactly dead.
Fitness is a part of the game. Much like Setpieces. Slot is beating both Pep and Mikel handsomely because he's mastered that aspect.
His track record says so.
Now Arsenal, finish with dignity and a statement of intent to next year, that's what's left
They will be worthy winners and I don't recall too many PL titles won by teams decimated by injuries. But then you cannot blame injuries if you haven't enough quality players in each position to allow you to rotate. Slot can rotate all the players who run the most & allow Salah to pick his moments
Liverpool, City and Chelsea have the club World Cup this summer. If we get a full summer of rest and finally sign a proper 9, Arteta really has no excuses next season (and I’m saying that as a big fan of what he’s done for us). Squad rotation absolutely key though in the early part of the season.
Well, they also adjusted their player protection strategy to do away with the never ending player pressing and sprinting back to defend by forwards. They treat salah like Messi for example.
The biggest change to us this season has been player management, 100%. I don’t always agree with it but the results speak for themselves. We have been very, very careful rehabbing players from injury. Players playing no more than 60 minutes 3, even 4 games after coming back from minor injuries.
Fully fit? They had their second choice keeper playing for two months and have had to use their academy to patch up their defense all season with quansah and Bradley
But that's a subjective and arbitrary thing to assess like how is that even measured. If it's by production a goal keeper is going to be relatively low on that given Liverpool don't concede many shots. If it's transfer value then does arsenal get under reported because Saka is an academy player.
Iirc each week, a club’s squad value (from Transfermarkt or alike) can be compared to the value of players available for selection. The higher the % of squad value available, the more fortunate the club. Teams with lower % availability face greater challenges, impacting performance over the season.
But value is subjective as both as a large portion of both sides are academy players whose value can't really be measured accurately and on top of that transfer value isn't accurate. Like is Declan rice worth double the value of gravenberch despite rice being worse than him this season.
The best goalkeeper in the world missed 8 games, Konate, one of the best in the world, missed 6 games, Joe Gomez like half the season, and Jota like half the season. 3 of the 4 are locked in starters, and the 4th is a super valuable player that covers several positions.
Gomez and Jota are nowhere near your best players. Alisson I’ll grant you. Konate being out for 34 days is not significant compared to the serious muscular issues rampant throughout the league this season. You’ve been lucky. Luck is required to win titles. You’ve also been brilliant, just enjoy it
Say it again, i have people on this platform telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about when I say it’s not about Arsenal’s injuries or anything. Liverpool just built a better team
We play strongest teams head to head we’re as good as them at least , we probably can’t prove it this year ( Anfield comes too late even with our key players back )
“Key player.” Your graphic shows Salah, Mane, Trent, Allison basically available throughout the season. I don’t need fancy graphics to tell me Xherdan Shaqiri has too many muscles.
We had no fit CBs for most of the season & were playing midfielders & League Two / Championship level players there. Henderson missed the run in, Thiago out half the season, Jota out for month... We couldn’t pick the same XI twice in a row all season. In the circumstances we did well to finish 3rd.
This is why nobody likes Arsenal fans…self entitled and classless. You’ve had one season with bad injuries - what’s the excuse for the previous 5 years?
Yous know about city right? We’ve competed as best we could the same as yous have over last few seasons & if there wasn’t the elephant in the room wed have a league title to show for it, cant give out about citys cheating them in same breath ask another club whos put it up to them whats their excuse
You cite City for cheating but you have spent an incredible amount of money that has rivaled theirs. We also won other trophies along the way which you have one FA cup. Now when we win it it’s all about other teams drop off…that’s their problem
It's the reds that have killed us....haven't lost when 11v 11.Dropped 10 points. Some harsh others dumb. Injuries have been the final straw.
Congratulations on being consistently the cleanest team in the league.
having the best striker and centre back helps. And besides the best striker they have ton of other good attackers. Add a solid midfield, a wildcard in Trent and a world class keeper. That wins you trophies
Boo hoo hoo, Liverpool are better at finding and attracting better players. I thought Arsenal were as big as Real Madrid and no-one wants to play outside London?
Oh sorry, well we’ll postpone games while other teams are so called depleted then, or we’ll overtrain and get injured, maybe just maybe we manage our training right, we rest properly, maybe we’re just better than everyone else. We’ve had injuries, but we managed it well
You said this before and I made you look silly last time. It was when I showed you all the players we had out injured, you denied it, then I proved it and you starting crying because you’re an idiot.
But yes, the teams you think are all shite still beat you lot of groks.
Imagine the delusion needed to believe in a season where we got to a final (they didn’t) we topped the CL league, we are top of the league and yet all the teams we’ve played are always terrible and we have had no injuries bar the loads that we have had.
Arsenal fans have been delusional all season. They had no injuries last season and didn't even get to 90pts. Saliba missed 10 games and their season collapsed the year before. It's just highly entertaining! 😁
Yep. I remember this Yankee fella said Liverpool faded and bottled it last season. I said “we actually lost loads of players” he denied it happened, so I showed him this graphic and he ran off.
Yeah, it's like the old "LFC would be nowhere without Salah" chestnut when the only example of Mo being out for more than a few games was last year. Our record in those games: P13 W11 D1 L1.
Yes, everything that could have gone their way went their way, but so what?
It's not Liverpool's fault we didn't bring in any quality attacking depth when it was clearly needed (2 windows in a row). It's not Liverpool's fault our key players were overplayed for 3 years and got injured.
Playing depleted teams is a factor outside their control, and a fair caveat, but their squad being fully fit is at least in part due to intentional training decisions. By contrast, Klopp used to run these guys into the ground. Imo the manager and training staff deserve at least some credit for that.
Liverpool supporters, it’s not a knock to say you’ve been lucky this season. You’ve also been very good. In order to win the league a side needs to be 2 of out of three:
1. lucky
2. good
3. sports-washing petro-state cheaters
You’re looking at it backwards. It’s not a coincidence the team on top was lucky with injuries, fixtures, and decisions. You’ve said it many times yourself — it takes luck to win a title. (Unless you’re peak City.)
And they’ve had plenty of seasons recently where they weren’t or City may not have had a streak of 4 titles in a row. How do you knock a team who has stayed fit and plays pretty disciplined to not put themselves in positions to be injured?
There’s a certain amount of that for every title winner though. Injuries seem to be worse all around this year, but there’s almost always an element of “title winners are fitter than anyone else.” We were very unfortunate with injuries but aren’t the first title contender to suffer that fate.
The good news is that it probably won’t happen again next year. And hopefully City don’t straighten out quickly. Big pressure on us to be fit and firing from the off next year, but if we are, we’re well enough placed.
Yes, the title race is over in February, yes it could have been more even with two top teams level pegging heading into an exciting run-in, but who can forget those glorious weeks in September when delaying the restart was eradicated from the game. What’s more important here?
I think we can do it but we’ll need Ødegaard, Rice, and our defending to be much better than they were yesterday. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable ask. White coming back into the side is a huge lift as well. His cameo was one of the only bright spots yesterday.
Yeah, regardless of contracts Liverpool will have to replace Salah and Van Dijk in their team within the next 18 months. Probably Alexander Arnold this summer.
They will do a better business and replace them. plus other teams like City Chelsea and Newcastle will strengthen and give us more problems than this yest
Not sure there’s anyone on the planet who can replace Salah if he goes. We will strengthen from a higher starting point than the others you mentioned, we will compete very strongly next year again with less crippling injuries.
That’s all we hope for. if we don’t collapse like last year and strengthen at where everyone sees we need apart from Arteta and not get entitled we can win against less fancier teams by just turning up like yesterday, then maybe we may win something
Yes, and we’d have been well placed if all of: Ødegaard, Saka, White, Tomiyasu, Jesus, Havertz, Merino, Tierney, Calafiori, and Martinelli hadn’t each had at least one month (most significantly more) out injured 👍
You were 9 points behind already! Honestly, you lot wouldn’t know humility if it slapped you in the face and you have the cheek to give it the “be humble” shit to Haaland. He was absolutely right!
It’s a shame you can’t monetize this post otherwise Liverpool fans would basically be paying off you mortgage for *checks notes* saying they’re worthy league winners
We’ve had decent injury luck (esp. last season) so I’d rather ask questions of our recruitment team than point fingers at Liverpool’s luck. Why is it we’ve regressed? Why haven’t we evolved in attack? Why do we keep buying defenders over creative attackers? Etc etc
precisely. pretty much every one of their recruits has been a star... last summer was a disaster... and Calafiori and merino to build on last season is nothing short of pathetic
A 32 yo putting in a best ever season as their swan song to 8 year career with a club to win a very good but not spectacular team the title is powerful football romanticism.
Annoying that we have to be the team that fate prevents from spoiling it.
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they avoided injuries and that’s it. they’re playing against a crippled field.
you just keep making stuff up rather than just accepting that your team had the luck this year
Alison out
Konate out
Jota out
Trent out
Bradley out
Gomez out
Jones out.
Face facts Arteta isn’t all that.
You played depleted teams (like us) last season and couldn't get the job done.
You can only beat what's in front of you, and yesterday you got beat by a team in 16th.
Stop being so blind to your own teams shortcomings.
hopefully it results in the same calamitous fall-off next year 😭
“You people”.
Go back to X you daft sod. Be amongst your own.
You’re a mess and seem proud to present yourself to the world like that.
Now, run along.
This is the 2nd time we’ve had a mental run of games. The first time Arsenal fans deluded themselves into thinking our season would collapse. A good start means nothing if you can’t sustain it.
saying they only win because they are playing depleted teams cry me a river
if they are depleted teams they aren't full strength for arsenal either
We're a better team than Arsenal, injuries or not.
Remember, all fan bases aren’t monolithic: we can have varied and nuanced opinions.
Many of us have been thankful for, in awe of, and constantly worried about him being reliably available.
Arsenal praise an away win when they had 9 days off and beat a side that had to go to 96 funerals and played 3 extra matches in that month, including the FA Cup Final.
No-one gave a shit when we had to play a house block at centre half in the 20/21 season!!
So half the spend and we've apparently still got a better squad. also half of what Arsenal have spent over 10 years, so it's not just short term planning
what’s the point?
I just can’t get past being annoyed about my belief that Liverpool are going to win the title despite not being better in a vacuum than Arsenal this season and certainly not better than them either of the last two seasons.
There is little justice in the universe.
Fully healthy, Arsenal are a better team.
Injuries is a chaotic variable that can define your season and is (mostly) completely out of the club's control.
Arsenal had a dead squad in the bottom half while LFC were on their way to the title & have since spend another ~£500M in the same period…
Not to mention what Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Newcastle have spent.
Where we've been relatively lucky is the timing of those injuries.
His track record says so.
Now Arsenal, finish with dignity and a statement of intent to next year, that's what's left
Arsenal among the most unfortunate.
Congratulations on being consistently the cleanest team in the league.
They’re a good team that has gotten really lucky.
They think that luck makes them special b/c they walked to a title. It doesn’t.
And they want to try to make you feel bad, too. Miserable people.
They are 💯 a good team. But they are walking to the easiest title in a decade hitting the 99th percentile outcome on everything.
They won this without ever facing any real challenge
Like 2016 with Leicester, it’s a league that was lost by others, not won by the champion
You said this before and I made you look silly last time. It was when I showed you all the players we had out injured, you denied it, then I proved it and you starting crying because you’re an idiot.
But yes, the teams you think are all shite still beat you lot of groks.
Imagine the delusion needed to believe in a season where we got to a final (they didn’t) we topped the CL league, we are top of the league and yet all the teams we’ve played are always terrible and we have had no injuries bar the loads that we have had.
He’s just a bint.
It's not Liverpool's fault we didn't bring in any quality attacking depth when it was clearly needed (2 windows in a row). It's not Liverpool's fault our key players were overplayed for 3 years and got injured.
1. lucky
2. good
3. sports-washing petro-state cheaters
They’re wrong AND dishonest. They won’t read or think. They only want to troll and argue.
The fuck else would they be searching for convos they’re not a part of to stick their noses where they aren’t wanted.
Weird behavior.
Annoying that we have to be the team that fate prevents from spoiling it.