the pro trans talking point of “they are trying to take away my right to exist” may sound to the normie like hysterical blue hair college left shit but I’m sorry, it is just true! I’m not gonna try to use fancy words like “genocidal” as others have, but the idea that it isn’t openly eliminationist… - ThreadSky

swin24.bsky.social • 168 days ago

the pro trans talking point of “they are trying to take away my right to exist” may sound to the normie like hysterical blue hair college left shit but I’m sorry, it is just true!

I’m not gonna try to use fancy words like “genocidal” as others have, but the idea that it isn’t openly eliminationist…

Reposted from Peter

it sounds like I’m being cheeky but I’m really not. right wing arguments against trans people in sports, against medical transition care etc., all operate from the first principle that being trans is not a real thing

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vistajane.bsky.social•168 days ago

That’s exactly right. They think it’s a fad. Example; your kids go to school straight and come home trans. And the more they say it, the more people believe it. ):

cagirlinsf.bsky.social•168 days ago

Don’t forget the whole kitty litter box in the classroom thing.

kimtc.bsky.social•168 days ago

I know people who believe that this! Schools can’t afford copy paper but they have full surgical suites?

vistajane.bsky.social•168 days ago

Where did critical thinking go………!

marissarowan.bsky.social•168 days ago

Critical thinking was never America's strong suit, they thought aliens were invading when Orson Welles had "War of the World" broadcast in 1936.

marissarowan.bsky.social•168 days ago

I mean 1938. But still, people seriously fell for space alien invasion.

aristar4ever.bsky.social•168 days ago

I mean there are places and times where you cant even argue the genocidal part

artweber.bsky.social•168 days ago

Being LGBTQ is not a lifestyle, character flaw, moral failing, sin, or choice. There is nothing wrong with being LGBTQ. GOP hateful rhetoric and policies are not helpful.

eclecticlynn.bsky.social•168 days ago

It becomes a real thing when it's your child, loved one, friend or just someone you know. What happened to freedom? We should be allowed to live. That means choices.

rrtrent892.bsky.social•168 days ago

Conservatives have always wanted to exterminate queer people, and picking off the T in LGBT is very much within their reach

swin24.bsky.social•168 days ago

…in ideology against trans adults and minors is like saying: I am not saying Jews shouldn’t exist, they can still feel however they want but also they have to publicly identify as Christian and also not look stereotypically Jewish in any way shape or form, but I’m not saying they shouldn’t exist

wh0sthatd0g.bsky.social•168 days ago

Or perhaps more similar to the genocide of Native Americans, where we really did take that stance

Although tbh, I think most conservatives would take the stance "what's wrong with assimilation?"

buckley19608.bsky.social•168 days ago

reminds me of Anita Bryant's brave belief that gay people can't experience any discrimination as long as they stay in the closet

swin24.bsky.social•168 days ago

the default mainstream GOP position is: these people aren’t actually a minority, it is all a product of mental illness and indoctrination,

to which i always ask: wait is this how you treat mentally ill children

lunaticsandwich.bsky.social•168 days ago

In Conservative thought, mental illness is a weakness to be kept hidden until it can be used as a scapegoat to distract from things that undermine Conservatives want. See, e.g. the inevitable invocation of the “mental health crisis” after gun violence, and asylums vis-a-vis immigration.

greghauenstein.com•168 days ago

Here in Iowa last year, a state legislator tried to remove gender identity from the Iowa Civil Rights Act and said in the hearing transgender people are "playing make-believe."

https://www.bleedingheartland.com/2024/02/05/no-one-needs-a-civility-lecture-from-jeff-shipley/

joekatz45.bsky.social•168 days ago

I mean...

meamdal.bsky.social•168 days ago

Yeah that’s their whole deal

swin24.bsky.social•168 days ago

If so, explains a bunch!

swin24.bsky.social•168 days ago

A working theory I have about too much of GOP/Trump public policy is that it’s driven by them knowing that there are parents out there who love their children no matter who they are, and that these ideologues didn’t get that, resent it as unnatural, and feel like the state should crush it

vistajane.bsky.social•168 days ago

I don’t think they think that deeply about this. They use it to instill hate and fear to win. This has been their modem of operation from the beginning. Like the Haitian’s eating your pets. Fear wins.

alexandergruchala.bsky.social•168 days ago

I had a friend in high school. Came from a religious family. Dad was a banker, mom ran a greenhouse. At 18, they kicked him out of the house and told him he was on his own. Same with his other five siblings.

Just the strangest thing.

marissarowan.bsky.social•168 days ago

Pure cruelty...

socraticmethodman.bsky.social•168 days ago

They are neo-Confederates. Their only purpose is to enrich a select few, and destroy any progress made by Reconstruction, The New Deal, and the Civil Rights era.

grumpyrootbeer.bsky.social•168 days ago

This is in a very real sense now the party of Focus on the Family, the entire raison d'etre for which was the belief that parents weren't beating their kids enough.

cagirlinsf.bsky.social•168 days ago

It’s been the Focus on the Family party since Reagan won.

sarcher.bsky.social•168 days ago

That seems 100% correct to me. It’s just incomprehensible to them.

avaghy.bsky.social•168 days ago

It is actually an evangelical/conservative belief that parents’ role is to mold their kid into the “right” kind of adult in the eyes of society, God & their parents. What the kid needs to be happy & strive is not even given a thought. So if a trans kid is suicidal who cares.

langdongrant.bsky.social•168 days ago

If history is any indicator, this will be like the anti-gay marriage panic of the early 2000s and in 10-15 years, many of the same people on the political right who are trying to erase the very concept that trans people are human beings who actually exist will swear they had nothing to do with it.

marissarowan.bsky.social•168 days ago

Conservatives often frankly see their children as little more than breeding stock to produce grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. They don't care even if children die as long as some of the many from a quiverful make it to adulthood to produce more kids.

etrigan.bsky.social•168 days ago

The truest base of the modern GOP is people whose children don't come home for Thanksgiving anymore.

profmeowmers.bsky.social•168 days ago

It's giving "The Missing Reasons" essay blog thing. (Fascinating read, as a side note.)

https://www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons.html

scohoe.bsky.social•168 days ago

as someone with MDD and ADHD and was told my whole life by my trump voting father that I was just lazy and negative, yes, that's what they believe mental illness is because it's never affected their success since their work and life was so much easier.

superfluousninja.bsky.social•168 days ago

The issue you might have in retorting with "is this how you treat mentally ill children" is that it seems to emphasize the illness, rather than the identity. They could say, if you are just classifying it as "illness", that's a treatable problem that can go away. It's better to focus on identity.

goaskalis.bsky.social•168 days ago

Yes. Yes it is

pyrholidon.bsky.social•168 days ago

They're still arguing over whether or not autistic people experience pain.

ellenteapot.ca•168 days ago

yeah they are the party of child abuse, shit sucks

unlabeledelder.bsky.social•168 days ago

My kid is trans.
He's not mentally ill, he's smart as fuck, smarter than every elected Republican, I guarantee it.

unlabeledelder.bsky.social•168 days ago

Some joker, confronted me on this and then blocked me like the coward he is!

gengarro.bsky.social•168 days ago

It's how they treat all children - love, stability, even adequate daily necessities are all conditional on the child being exactly what the parent expects and demands of it

ellenteapot.ca•168 days ago

I am genuinely curious to hear your view about what differentiates that from genocidal intent.

calipaddler.bsky.social•168 days ago

My struggle is the idea that MtF are now the same as biological women and should be treated as such including sports. If so, then wouldn’t they fall under the protected class of gender?Are MtF being discriminated based on Trans or because they are women?They want both and in the process women erased

jcc333.bsky.social•168 days ago

I think they pretty explicitly want /neither/.
But, if trans folks in sports are an issue, you'd expect to see *more* trans sports stars. If we ever see a glut of trans-athletic superstardom, sure, reform Title IX some more, but anything else is regulation looking for a problem (to punish)

calipaddler.bsky.social•168 days ago

https://www.outkick.com/sports/transgender-cycling-teams-win-top-three-spots-womens-race-washington

jcc333.bsky.social•168 days ago

But why is that bad actually?
If there's like a half a % of trans people, all else being equal you'd *expect* a half a percent of dominant athletes to be trans, right?
The indicator to me isn't "there are no trans athletes excelling" it's "there are not a disproportionate number excelling"

calipaddler.bsky.social•168 days ago

False. It huge issue in elite cycling, high school track snd field, rugby, weightlifting.

jcc333.bsky.social•168 days ago

Maybe, but again I'm seeing https://www.chronline.com/stories/controversy-follows-as-first-washington-transgender-athlete-wins-a-state-high-school-track,341333 and you would, again, expect some non-zero number of trans kids to be good at sports, all else being equal.
I'm not a hardcore HS XC/T&F person, but this just feels like a bad use of the state to me.

janus303.bsky.social•168 days ago

It’s not at all new of course. They don’t think gays exist either. They think homosexuality is just hedonism and perversion.

middleagedadbod.bsky.social•168 days ago

These comments are such BS. They all boil down to “they’re all bigots and transphobes”.

middleagedadbod.bsky.social•168 days ago

There’s a huge middle section of people who aren’t transphobic but don’t see sex/gender the same way and are tired of being called names and being forced to believe things that don’t match up to our reality.