Do you have any idea how long these things would take & how much parliamentary time it would take?
Are you ok with doing these while nothing else happens?
Oh and rejoining the EU isn’t going to happen until we get an opposition that won’t immediately leave again & a realistic electorate
If you were Morgan McSweeney you could make the whole 'Labour Party' do all of that, and move away from neo-liberal economics, tax the rich, reform the second chamber, support the less well off, acknowledge gender diversity, rehabilitate offenders, improve public services ...............
Sadly, you're not Starmer and he won't do any of those things. I begin to think he's either completely inept or plain stupid. Or maybe he's been bought...
He isn’t inept or stupid he is constrained because in order to get elected Labour said there would be no tax rises. So people want better public services and the Tories final act of destruction was to cut NI by circa £20 billion as a scorched earth policy.
and in doing so he ensured that he is unable to do the things that people actually want him to do. Isn't it stupid to torpedo yourself before you even start?
Even being honest about Brexit would help. Rejoining at least the SM and CU would improve the economy at a stroke.
I agree about the Tories NI move but he's still made so many politically inept decisions. Telling people the country's in a mess only goes so far when they're directly affected by the WFA and PIP decisions. It all comes across as cruel and un-Labour. Sticking to this course is a gift to Farage.
The idea that the EU would welcome the UK as a member now is idiotic. The EU has a say, every EU member has a say. Can you imagine Putin's tool Orban agreeing?
Orban is a problem for the EU generally but the rest definitely want the UK back: or at least to start moving in that direction. The security reality has changed the conversation dramatically plus, even with the UK's parlous state, it would benefit both parties economically.
I'd also scrap the HoL, and bring in strict political donation rules - max of £5k from any individual per year, and for companies, 2/3 shareholders approval needed, and capped at last FYs tax paid
If I was Labour I would stop the far right propaganda.
If Labour don't stop the 24x7 far right propaganda machine then NOTHING else they can do matters .. because the far right will be voted into power by a brainwashed electorate .. and democracy in the UK will end.
Have the EU actually said they want the UK back in their club? Because I wouldn't let us back in. We were a pain in the arse and tried to break to smash up the club on our way out.
"Please don't leave" ain't the same as "Please come back". I am a huge pro-EU, anti-Brexit kinda person. But I think there is some real 'arrogancy vibes' coming from Brits who assume that the EU will welcome us back. They deffo want a closer trading & security relationship with us, but membership...
If the EU mood music was LOUD & CLEAR that they would happily accept the UK back into the EU, then HELL YEAH I'm all in. But I ain't hearing that clarion call. I hear them speaking of "Closer cooperation" yes, but "Rejoin" not so much!..Please share links from reputable publications that say diff.
All those things require some things Kid Starver doesn't have. A spine, ethics, a desire to do something good without pandering to a small group of people want and the ability to actually stick to a statement of decision.
And if I was in the EU I'd say' no way'.
A potential fascist government run by a former MEP who was instrumental in the UK leaving the EU.
Not going to happen.
You're not funded by the same interests though. A Labour leader sending old people into poverty and driving vulnerable people to suicide is not a labour leader. It's a butcher trimming the herd.
Ok .. we lost billions from leaving the EU - where are your priorities. You could be a Tory and say its with pensioners because they vote for us - you could be pro Reform and say it’s people crossing on boats because they vote for us or you could be Labour and say it’s what exactly ? No disrespect
None of the above. EU isn't why he took my parents heating allowance and put them in debt nor why he chose to stop my benefits because autism and adhd aren't a severed leg.
These weren't manifesto pledges. Just ways to save his mates paying tax.
Starmer really needs to get on with adopting PR. If we have FPTP at the next GE there is a massive risk of a Farage PM and Reform majority government, elected against the wishes of most voters.
[I know that's technically true of the current government: we should already have PR!]
Labours self interest will never allow them to deliver PR for Westminster elections. They will of course try & swindle progressives out of their vote by promising - but never delivering ( look at last 30 years Labour PR promises).
That would make me and the majority of the population very happy. Doesn't he want us to be happy? I wonder sometimes if politicians have forgotten what their jobs are.
Oh and I would strengthen Ofcom , Ofwat and Ofgem and any other of…s so these Companies were so petrified they would never cross the Government/public radar in a negative way ever again.
No, if you were Starmer you'd _open discussions about speedily rejoining_ the EU. It's not your decision; there are 27 other countries involved, and we ALL need to agree.
And, as I keep pointing out, you'd be vanishingly unlikely to get all those former derogations, rebates and exemptions back.
Well, the basic Copenhagen requirements for membership include "stable democracy" and "rule of law". I'm very much a wet blanket in questioning how Ukraine meets those conditions, but equally, the Untied Kingdom is far from solid on them.
I don't see why not, but I really think that trying to persuade Brits - well, the English - to give up sterling, you'd be on a hiding to nothing. It's just one of those totems.
Farage was laughing on Brexit night because he and his cohorts had run a poll to see the outcome and made millions from the result. They couldn’t have done that if we had been in the Euro. It’s the same game plan with Trump.
Brexit night was when I started planning to get the fuck out of that Britain. It took me nearly three years, but I'm so relieved to breathe free air now.
Give justice to WASPI women, stop hammering the poor and the disabled, stop kow-towing to Trump and for God's sake, stop arming and supporting ethnic cleansing in the Middle East?
I'd vote for that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately given Reform's victory in the locals and them being the polling favourite nationally, there's now no reason for the EU to agree to let us back in. They won't want to admit a nation that will be a destabilising force in just a few years' time.
No they didn’t. You still keep saying it and it’s still not true. Brexit did not feature in the GE and people were not asked to vote on any policies. The current Labour government may support no further discussions around Brexit, but the party itself has a multitude of views.
In the last election the slogan was GTTO & most people (in England) did so using reliable tactical voting. Many people supported a different party from normal. You can make no inference about Brexit from the last election.
O/c the EU won’t stop talking to the UK, they have signed agreements with them for a start, which need to be monitored.
We are neighbours too & share waters. There are also far right parties in EU countries.
What they will do is stick to the t&c’s of those signed agreements & decide the future.
Ignorance, arrogance and entitlement are all major barriers.
The worst thing the EU can do is to allow the UK to undermine us. It would be bad for the UK too as you can’t join something if you have helped to destroy it.
The question is who will lead the change. Only the Greens/
They are pro EU but both are small. The LibDems probably can’t afford to campaign fully in many more seats than it did last time. But maybe if they had more MPs and formed a coalition they could press for some of the constitutional reform that is necessary. But maybe the U.K. will just collapse
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WWII didn’t go on this long.
Lots of other reforms needed too if the UK is to become EU membership material at one point in the future.
Are you ok with doing these while nothing else happens?
Oh and rejoining the EU isn’t going to happen until we get an opposition that won’t immediately leave again & a realistic electorate
Even being honest about Brexit would help. Rejoining at least the SM and CU would improve the economy at a stroke.
If Labour don't stop the 24x7 far right propaganda machine then NOTHING else they can do matters .. because the far right will be voted into power by a brainwashed electorate .. and democracy in the UK will end.
This "will the EU have us back" thing tends to be used by people who want to kill the appetite to return.
It seems that more opposition to rejoining comes from people who imagine Labour shouldn't be questioned than from the actual EU.
A potential fascist government run by a former MEP who was instrumental in the UK leaving the EU.
Not going to happen.
The Tories and Labour are also not reliable partners or allies of the EU.
These weren't manifesto pledges. Just ways to save his mates paying tax.
But that won't appease his millionaire donors, will it!!?
[I know that's technically true of the current government: we should already have PR!]
The Labour conference voted in favour of PR in September 2022
But Starmer has since said its not policy 🤷
"PR is not our policy"
We will NEVER 'rejoin' the unnecessary and exploitative EU.
And, as I keep pointing out, you'd be vanishingly unlikely to get all those former derogations, rebates and exemptions back.
*OK, there wouldn't be any, but there must be some reason for not doing the right thing.
1 Reduced gas water and electricity bills (which is mostly on the standing charges)
2 cleaned up the rivers
3 rejoined the EU
He could forget about the other parties.
Why doesnt he?
He thinks being PM is pandering to the elusive hero voter, not to make Gordon Brown's mistake of leaving his mike on.
He's not rejoining the EU, implementing PR, nor touching the media. He will wear a Barbour, pander on immigration & down a pint, is that good enough?
70%+ of the votes went to hard Brexit parties in the 2024 GE.
The UK simply isn’t ready and currently do not belong in the EU.
It also does not qualify and will not accept…
Labour’s manifesto was a hard Brexit one. Supported by KSs announcements before, during and after the election and still to this day.
It is difficult to be more clear than “not in my lifetime”
I have no doubt that many voted to GTTO. My guess is that the slogan for the 2029 GE will be KRO.
One major problem with a FPTP system is that it leads to the absence of choice. Choosing to GTTO also meant
Successive UK governments have all used the familiar tactics of cherrypicking and divide & conquer.
That the EU is still talking to the UKG is a miracle (we should stop doing so).
Hopefully all this will change but the UK might need a generation on the outside for …
We are neighbours too & share waters. There are also far right parties in EU countries.
What they will do is stick to the t&c’s of those signed agreements & decide the future.
Ignorance, arrogance and entitlement are all major barriers.
The worst thing the EU can do is to allow the UK to undermine us. It would be bad for the UK too as you can’t join something if you have helped to destroy it.
The question is who will lead the change. Only the Greens/