Survey analysis finds people who don't watch women's sports, think they are less deserving of media attention than men's sports, and think women should prioritize being thin are more likely to oppose transgender women's inclusion in women's sports
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It "may reflect ideological motivations rather than a genuine commitment to advancing opportunities for female athletes."
1 sentence into the article and I've already exclaimed 'nooo! really?'
You mean Nancy Mace & the gang have 'ideological motivations'? I can't believe it!
I’m not a huge basketball person but friends of all genders have been getting into women’s basketball lately & they’re loving it. So if you like basketball but aren’t watching the WNBA perhaps try it out. A lot of cis het guys I know were kicking themselves for not doing is sooner.
Women's collegiate basketball (and even the WNBA although I don't watch it as much) is fantastic. Athleticism, intelligence and joy! I say this as someone who does not like or watch the men's game.
I haven't really gotten into the W but this is entirely because I prefer spending time outdoors in the summer and just don't want to follow another league.
The ball is absolutely as good as or in many ways better and it doesn't take much exposure at all to see that.
You're suggesting causation, when there's only evidence of correlation.
The people who 'only watch men's sports' are very likely to be a) men and b) interested in sports. They will have a clear understanding of male sporting advantages, which will inform their views on trans inclusion.
Watching men’s sports does not in fact give one special insight into how transwomen perform athletically and transwomen don’t have any special advantages in sports. The assumption that they do is misogynist myth.
Also, the rightwingers leading the charge against transwomen athletes are contemptuous of women’s sports and call in bomb threats to schools over libs of TikTok posts. They do not care about the well-being of women and children, but want to punish people for deviating from narrow gender norms.
I've been watching more women's cycling and cricket recently (because local broadcasters have actually started putting it on air instead of repeating old men's events ad infinitum). It's brilliant.
Caring about your daughter's soccer =/= caring about women's sports. Plenty of sexist men put their daughters on pedestals yet have no respect for other women or their endeavors.
They still don't, and now that they are done using it to abuse communities, they will work to further undermine women's sport as they expand their attempts to control women.
Because it is rooted in the theory that women are automatically inferior to any iteration of men. Even testosterone free trans women who suffer a significant weight disadvantage to fit cis women
If they think that women are too fragile to compete against trans women, they think women are too fragile to compete at all. This was always about ‘protecting’ women’s sports out of existence.
A lot of bigots tend to claim that they're following common sense, and that's good (where true), but it should never be the be-all-end-all of understanding.
If it's all you've got, then sure, but rarely is that all there is. You have to read the studies and adapt your thinking to the evidence.
Like, I get that the idea of big burly athletic dudes competing against archetypal women competitors sounds like a recipe for disaster on its face, but the evidence doesn't bear it out. In fact, it solidly refutes it! And that's just one occasion where common sense doesn't ring true in reality.
I think sports players shouldn't make insane amounts of money. And think the payments for all sports should be decided through collective bargain agreements.
I think sports players should make a volume of money commensurate to the hours needed to achieve & maintain the physical condition necessary for their competitive performance.
If their operating costs plus food, housing, etc. land in "insane" level of pay then I'm fine with that. They literally put their bodies on the line to do what they do and their pay should reflect that.
But I agree collective bargaining should aim to achieve that more than branding or image.
Pensions and retirement plans are certainly Very important for athletes and many physical professions, some of which (like ballet, construction, or wrestling) often end with serious health problems.
And a mutual union would be best for all involved I feel.
I certainly do not find women's sports undeserving and because of that I do not think that people currently with penises should be on women's teams or in their lockerooms
How do you know what's in someone's pants? Have you checked? Do you plan to check? Do you often think about other people's genitals? And if so, I've got an officer I think you should speak with before going near other humans.
My pov 1/2
Sports are watched, mostly by men.
Men watch women’s sports for titillation
Men just want cis sexy women athletes to oggle at.
Hence the transphobic attack and exclusion from women’s sport…cont
Same goes for cis Lesbian women who hate men, don’t want to see transgender women in women’s sports
It’s not about protecting women
It’s transphobia and hate.
I’m curious; of the people who are so outspoken about transgender girls being able to play in women’s sports, how many have or had daughters play youth/high school sports.
Biological males playing women’s sports is wrong and it hurts women’s sports both in competitive fairness and perception.
I know democrats aren’t supposed to say that but I have a feeling that many, if not most agree.
I know it’s tough on the transgender athlete, but it’s tough on the ladies too.
Name one positive outcome of a biological male playing women’s sports, other than for the transgender athlete. I’ve seen nothing but negative, from the locker room to the playing field to the negative social exposure.
Just in case you are asking in good faith (or anyone else reading this is) you should really look into the evidence on trans women's performance in sport vs cis women. @kirstimiller30.bsky.social timeline is a good place to start, she collates a lot of pesky scientific evidence.
Also, the vast majority of sport that takes place is not the 1% of elite professional athletes who are mostly genetic anomalies but ordinary people trying to have full, healthy lives. Ask yourself why trans women are being excluded from Park Runs, for instance.
This is part of a general societal (from the top down) movement away from evidence and facts and toward gut feeling or prejudice. I'm sure you are resistant to that in other areas so why not this particular area?
Name one positive outcome of taking a 12 year old trans girl out of a sport she loves. I've seen nothing but negative, from her self-confidence to her happiness to her safety.
Honestly, if you're only seeing negatives, then I recommend finding new sources of information. Trans people are humans too
My daughter does sports too, and has played with transgirls or non-binary kids. It’s gone fine. And enforcing a trans ban would require letting strangers examine kids’ genitals before they can play and empower creeps who sow paranoia about kids’ gender. Conservatives support that. I don’t.
It’s fairly simple: you can be a decent person who finds ways for kids to play and be who they are, or you can be a conservative who bullies children because the internet cooked their brain. Easy choice.
Kids yes. More co-ed opportunities would be great. College age and even high school though can be a whole other matter. Then we might be talking about a significant amount of money involved and potential unfair or lost opportunities.And then there’s the whole kid with male parts in the shower thing.
It’s just my opinion on the subject. I support trans people. And no I don’t agree with examining kids in order to “prove” their gender. I think it’s more complicated than yes they compete or no they don’t compete. But I also know when I see an obviously superior biological boy against girls.
There is no evidence that fairness is being undermined. Scientific studies undertaken on transgender women suggest there are no over riding "advantages".
Propoganda & media driven policy decisions won't stand the test of time
That's actually not true. Biology is more complex than the two gender system we often see. Repeating harmful rhetoric around a topic that has been poorly studied (and with extreme bias) is dangerous. Please consider reading more peer reviewed articles on the subject before coming to a conclusion.
If that’s truly the case, then why isn’t a p.e.d. case an automatic lifetime ban? After all, the biological advantage it gives you (like strength and endurance, which are famously static and never fade or change once you have it) would persist, wouldn’t it?
I do not watch any sports.
If that is what one does with
their time is good! It is their Life.
Women who think judging other people
"should" anybody else is none of their business.
Yes. And what’s happening in women’s sports right now? A true recognition of their incredible athleticism and hard work. We are seeing the world turn their attention to women’s sports. The backlash? Don’t be too good, we won’t think you are a woman.
“Overall, our research suggests that purporting to save women’s sports is more of a (gender) ideological project and political strategy than a concerned and concerted effort to support, promote, and enable further watching of girls and women playing sports.”
Undeserving.... Women sports are just as capable of the awe inspiring feats, stories and on and on and on, the only reason it's so foreign to so many is the history of coverage and frankly the history of misogyny but this country isn't gonna have that convo no matter how much it should
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1 sentence into the article and I've already exclaimed 'nooo! really?'
You mean Nancy Mace & the gang have 'ideological motivations'? I can't believe it!
Males taking these opportunities is misogyny.
The ball is absolutely as good as or in many ways better and it doesn't take much exposure at all to see that.
The people who 'only watch men's sports' are very likely to be a) men and b) interested in sports. They will have a clear understanding of male sporting advantages, which will inform their views on trans inclusion.
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/58/11/586
Like they're barely even subtle about it honestly.
but they don't love it as an actual event to engage with
So many ways to say it.
If it's all you've got, then sure, but rarely is that all there is. You have to read the studies and adapt your thinking to the evidence.
Not disagreeing tho. Your idea is much better than what we have right now.
But I agree collective bargaining should aim to achieve that more than branding or image.
I think they should have pensions, that include Healthcare.
The men and women players will share a union to.
And a mutual union would be best for all involved I feel.
Sports are watched, mostly by men.
Men watch women’s sports for titillation
Men just want cis sexy women athletes to oggle at.
Hence the transphobic attack and exclusion from women’s sport…cont
I agree
But can trust a smoking duck eh ?
It’s not about protecting women
It’s transphobia and hate.
My sister is just as strong as any trans girl her age, and vice versa. Why would I be misogynistic enough to assume otherwise?
I know democrats aren’t supposed to say that but I have a feeling that many, if not most agree.
I know it’s tough on the transgender athlete, but it’s tough on the ladies too.
Honestly, if you're only seeing negatives, then I recommend finding new sources of information. Trans people are humans too
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna137903
Propoganda & media driven policy decisions won't stand the test of time
Also, everything you wrote is false.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/olympic-trans-women-ioc-study-rcna148437
If that is what one does with
their time is good! It is their Life.
Women who think judging other people
"should" anybody else is none of their business.
It’s almost like it was all rooted in the same thing all along!! (/srcsm)