Why isn’t anyone saying that when Donald Trump abused his office by attempting to stop the certification of an election he lost, that he opened the door for Kamala Harris to stop the certification of this one?
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Nah. Because that's illegal. Now, an official act by a sitting president like a drone strike to a known terrorist and insurrectionist compound is legal. Arresting traitors to the constitution would be legal. We gotta be progressive and not steal their ideas.
Dems have to briefly abandon their moral high ground, play dirty if that's what it takes to get control back from the a dictator then reassemble the rule of law and fairness. If you wait around fighting a knife fight with nothing on but mittens you won't have a chance again to right this ship.
It was wrong when he did it, and unless there's clear evidence of fraud, it would be wrong for her to do it, as much as we all would prefer a Harris presidency. Otherwise we will never see a peaceful transfer of power again.
Recounts should have been done.Very suspicious and with so much at stake. And Russia outright saying he owes them for making his “win” possible. Unbelievable -but we’ve lived in the twilight zone since it’s decent down that tacky escalator almost a decade ago 👺
Because Dems take the high road regardless of what it costs. Harris, Pelosi, Warren, etc., they can all jump ship if things get too rough here. Fuck us though, we're the ones with real skin in the game. They play nice because they know they don't lose.
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. The only difference is that Democrats play by the rules and it sure seems like republicans lie, cheat and resort to threats and violence to get their way.
I hold out hope that US politics won't decend into a Mafia style tit for tat.
Someone at some stage has to be the adult in the room. The margin of the win this time was tiny. The only way to turn it back to good is to be a choice for something new, not more of the same.
Hopefully she refuses and doesn't let him back into office. Biden needs to declare a state of emergency and then step down so she can be in her rightful place.
I just wish we had the same extra 20 million votes that we had in 2020. Where did all those people go? Didn't they know how important this election was? We should try to find those 20 million people and ask them why they didn't vote this time.
This isn’t accurate. Mail in/absentee votes were still being counted. The total on election night wasn’t the final total. It isn’t even 4mil less than 2020. You can Google for the current count. Also, in 4yrs, roughly 12mil Americans die.
Same.
Maybe President Harris would lock up Agent Orange and throw away the key… and while she’s at it jail the subversives on the Supreme Court.
Protecting our Constitutional Republic against foreign and domestic enemies…
right now!
I thought it was pretty clear that 45's belief that the VP can pick the next president means that Harris can pick herself, then Walz can pick her in 28, then Walz can pick himself in 32, etc.
If the President-elect fails to qualify before inauguration, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President-elect will act as President until such a time as a President has qualified.
Because of a little thing called integrity. Something Donald Trump has never had.
I do keep hoping that King Biden will decide that Trump is a detriment to the country and it is his duty as king to put trump in Guantanamo Bay
I had suggested that here or on the other platform I think, because of the outrageousness of the transition with no ethics code being signed. Also tRump never released his taxes.
The releasing of the returns is not illegal, just what any normal person who believes in vetting would expect. Narrator: there weren't many normal people.
Not signing ethics pledge and transition docs IS illegal, enough to bar him from office. I would not say anything, wait til the 20th-bracelets.
That loophole was fixed.
What needs to happen is confirmation the voting was indeed interfered with and have undeniable proof.
Then prepare for the MAGA-sh1t to hit the fan…
The Dems fight with toothpicks as the Republicans fight with uzis. It’s never been fair. Time to stop acting chivalrous and bring out the fucking napalm!
Dems: Biden can’t set a precedent for Trump! Also Dems: Kamala can’t rely on a precedent set by Trump! And also Dems: Trump doesn’t care about precedents!
Because we know she won’t do it. AND it justifies more crazy shit (which will come with or without justification) from Trump’s next administration.
And throwing it to the House won’t change anything.
I'd love to see it. There isn't any precedent as Pence had enough foresight to sign over power, but nothing has gone according to plan so it's a legitimate argument. Also, there is definitely a reason for Kamala et al to step up and save the day. I think only they can now.
As you know, it would be hard to make the case that Democrats are the champions of democracy and the rule of law, if Harris engaged in gross lawlessness. It would sure be briefly satisfying, but ultimately just take us one step closer to barbaric authoritarianism.
We have 48 days until confirmation. THIS is the only time that recounts make sense. Especially in light of the evidence that has already been presented.
Are you being a contrarian for the sake of argument? You just repeated my op.
Agreed. Recounts NOW.
They DO make sense. Drumff’s team sued for access to the voting systems after 2020. They got access in multiple states. Analysts raised 🚩🚩 at the time saying this would give them the keys to cheat.
If Kamala refused to certify and "sent it back to the states until we know what's going on," the SCLM (So-Called Liberal Media) would be outraged and the Outrage Coverage would be 24/7.
While she could certainly do that, she won’t. She won’t like it, but she also knows elections have consequences. She will take the high road no matter how painful it will be to do so…
If democrats want to hold the Constitution together we still have to follow it. Once people see trump and his maga horde fail, democrats have to continue to protect Democracy, and take our country back. Maga wants to drag us down with them.
Unfortunately, Dems would never. Supreme Court already said the President can basically do whatever they want. Wish Biden would go out with a BANG instead of being worried about institutional norms. Republicans stopped playing by the rules a long time ago.
2/2...He filed a form with the FEC to declare his candidacy for President. The document is online. But he has no intention of taking the Presidential oath of office. He didn't sign the ethics agreement. He switched to revealing that he intends to be DICTATOR and will not leave office. ...2/3
3/3... If the certification is not stopped, 'we will not have a country anymore'. STOP THE STEAL or the COUP that his mob finally completed. BIDEN IS OBLIGATED TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY & HE HAS IMMUNITY IN THIS ENDEAVOR.
I could be wrong but I think congress passed a law like a year or two ago that makes the vice president certifying the election results basically just a ceremonial thing so something like Trump wanted Pence to do can't actually happen.
John Dean, the former White House counsel who helped bring down President Richard Nixon in the Watergate scandal, urged President Joe Biden to go further with his pardons.
Why go there . Biden could use the immunity ruling to declare the election null and void , at the time time suspending SCOTUS ....claiming its his job as president ...to protect democracy . The interference by Russia , including the 60 + bomb false alarms ....would be sufficient
Hell yeah . In my 77 years have never seen so many actually concerned about their own personal safety ........from an elected persiedent and his cabinet .
Or, hear me out, that when SCrOTUmS found that the President had immunity for official acts, that Biden couldn't just find Trump and his enablers at Project 2025 and the Billionaires that bought the election as "Clear and Present Dangers" to the Republic and have them rounded up and executed?
Because “when they go low, we go high”, which sounds great, but politics is a blood sport and it should be “when they go low, we go lower and dirtier”!
Didn’t Congress also pass a law to clarify the VP’s role in certifying the vote. I think a more valid argument is that Biden should just refuse to give up power and claim the immunity that SCOTUS so generously granted him.
what's much more interesting is that Congress could refuse to certify him on the grounds that he is not eligible for the position under the 14th amendment. that would actually be a valid and legal challenge unlike the VP refusing to do what is required of them.
Because they're smart enough to see that no Americans are going to do what needs to be done to stop the death of democracy, so they might as well cozy up to the dictator.
Pulling a “Sloppy Scarborough”:
Bending the knee(s) before your vile opposition, after only some of the fighting, even though they know that they will now be assisting in the downfall of US democracy and economics, because, you know….social calendars…
Because true patriots, like Vice President Harris, are not corrupt like the maga tRumpers are! There is no basis to stop the certification and Kamala Harris has too much integrity and honor to do something so treasonous, again, like the tRumpers would!
Because Democrats are held to high, often impossible, standards while Republicans are currently held to the same standard as spoiled toddlers hopped up on sugar at grandma's house.
Anyone willing to elect Trump has absolutely no concern for the proper use of Presidential Pardons. Trump has promised all along to pardon the J6 terrorists, and has abused pardons numerous times in the past - including seeking to pardon himself!
I did! I’d like to know why no one asked Trump directly how it was “all rigged, folks” (his words) in 2016 yet he ‘won’; he didn’t win in 2020 so it was “stolen”?and in 2024 who tf knows what happened but he’s all ‘neener-neener’ & ‘there will be hell to pay’ but we’re supposed to just accept it?
I agree.
We shouldn’t sugar coat what has happened in the USA. Millions of Americans decided they were ok with having an authoritarian in the White House.
I would rather have Biden.
We shouldn’t pretend the old social norms are honored by the other side because they are not.
wouldn’t matter cause the trump would ignore and say the election was certified. We are in for a ride these next four years . But We will survive together! 🤖💙👍👍
Congress needs to uphold their oaths. A judge in Colorado found trump took part in the insurrection. 14th Amendment section 3. But don't repost on this. Don't want that knowledge to get around to some.
Because she won’t. Hell there’s questions about the vote in swing states, at least 7 election experts have written to her & we can’t even get her to politely ask for a recount. No way she’s gonna block certification.
Harris should do it just to watch MAGAs heads explode trying to tell their supporters why she isn’t allowed to do it? Make them admit it was a false course of action from the get go.
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How is your narcissistic framing power regurgitation going on this fine day?
Someone at some stage has to be the adult in the room. The margin of the win this time was tiny. The only way to turn it back to good is to be a choice for something new, not more of the same.
It's like we left a toddler with a bucket of paint. Because of COURSE the toddler is a toddler.
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These maga trolls lack any genuine creativity. Too lazy to create their own unique account names. They steal everything.
However, my heart wants one thing, but my head cannot follow. Hence, I’m not a maggot.
Now, if you were to take them by surprise, though...
Also…Biden signed the Electoral Count Reform Act
Maybe President Harris would lock up Agent Orange and throw away the key… and while she’s at it jail the subversives on the Supreme Court.
Protecting our Constitutional Republic against foreign and domestic enemies…
right now!
V.P. Harris
"good morning before we take up the electoral count act and open up the electors votes,
HAS 2/3rds of both houses by vote order resolution or bill
voted to remove from Donald Trump
the disability imposed by sec 3 of the 14th amendment???
OK call me when that is done
I do keep hoping that King Biden will decide that Trump is a detriment to the country and it is his duty as king to put trump in Guantanamo Bay
Still. 😜
Not signing ethics pledge and transition docs IS illegal, enough to bar him from office. I would not say anything, wait til the 20th-bracelets.
What needs to happen is confirmation the voting was indeed interfered with and have undeniable proof.
Then prepare for the MAGA-sh1t to hit the fan…
Bureaucratically after the war-tenure & market truly hits 0.1% marsaw, ernish the left/independent’s will be far wiser & bonded
The next 50 years will be clad & uni-party
If not, 50+ % of this nation will leave in time
And throwing it to the House won’t change anything.
NOT FIGHTING is what gave Drumff this second term. Just ask Merrick.
Agreed. Recounts NOW.
They DO make sense. Drumff’s team sued for access to the voting systems after 2020. They got access in multiple states. Analysts raised 🚩🚩 at the time saying this would give them the keys to cheat.
We are on the same side friend.
Kamala: classy and has integrity
Isn't it funny how people we like get referred to on a first name basis.
it wouldn't be unreasonable to slightly delay until we know for sure, right MAGAts?
Unfortunately, going ‘high’ isn’t going to save democracy
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Yes, @vp Harris should not certify this election. There is a call I campaign to request that she not certify the election. Rump is a fraud. ...
Make it STOP!!
Bending the knee(s) before your vile opposition, after only some of the fighting, even though they know that they will now be assisting in the downfall of US democracy and economics, because, you know….social calendars…
While Dems long to be loved?
Because there are two parties in America: Nazi, and Vichy?
Personally I like Truman's approach: Drop that bomb.
We shouldn’t sugar coat what has happened in the USA. Millions of Americans decided they were ok with having an authoritarian in the White House.
I would rather have Biden.
We shouldn’t pretend the old social norms are honored by the other side because they are not.
Donald must never be allowed in.