On FB I referenced the dark ages and all the death it caused and some religious nut reported me for intolerance and I got banned. That was a long time ago. FB was going downhill for a very long time.
It wasn't just them. It was also the Ron Paul Is God crowd, & anti taxes pro "freedom", libertarians too. This won't last long. The factions will fight and factions within factions.
That wasn’t the dark ages though. The dark ages were when the Roman Empire collapsed in the west and pagans invaded. There were very few written records hence dark. You are talking about the Middle Ages.
Oh blimey. It’s just short hand. They weren’t Christians they were mainly worshipped Norse gods. I’m an atheist, religion is all made up rubbish anyway.
It's the invaded I'm objecting to. People moved around a lot more than we think they did, that isn't invasion. Also, the people were already there... all those quaint country folks with there many gods and spirits... were all ready there
The wording is weird but most of the tribes and kingdoms active back in the great migration period were polytheistic. Of course there were those that had converted to Arian Christianity, like the goths and vandals.
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Again though, many of Rome's primary opponents were christians, but as of the first council of nicea in 325ad, Arian Christianity was considered heretical.
Also Dark Ages is a pretty old fashioned term now, coming from an era when people thought the Roman Christians were civilised and the people that replaced them were uncivilised, illiterate non Christians from the north.
They were called The Dark Ages because there wasn't a great deal of historical record of them, ironically because they were rather peaceful. That lack of record has since been corrected and historians hate it when people use that term. That they were some kind of bad thing is pure fantasy.
The early middle ages, when the church replaces the Roman Empire as the most powerful force in Europe.
We all know that when the church has power it is always a positive, peaceful , outcome for all.
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The folks who brought us the Crusades & the Inquisition! Plus loads of idiotic religious wars all where dudes claiming to be holy warriors behaved like modern day jihadists.
Mental institutions were built for this very reason.
To accommodate those who wished harm to society by their proposed actions.
Only 2 doctors were needed to sign those people afflicted into an institution. Just 2!
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The Dark Ages is the term given to the fall of the Roman Empire, referring to the loss of culture, art etc. It's a poor term for a period that included, for example, the signing of the Magna Carta.
It’s also based on a sort of Renaissance snobbery about the Latin and script used during the period that declared it to be “dark” because there was nothing worthy of being read.
Sources struggle to survive 1500 years especially in damp climates. The church was actually instrumental in preserving older texts by copying them.
There wasn’t a war on literacy by the church. They ran cathedral schools and set up the first universities.
Murderers and power grabbers will always adorn their deeds with the trappings of sound principles. Religion is far from the only idea men have proven willing to kill for.
The problem isn't simply one of Christianity .. Islam, Judaism and Hinduism are all also playing a role in the current car crash of extremism, oligarchy and autocracy which this world is becoming.
I read somewhere something along the same lines'' Once upon a time, everyone believed in God and the church ruled, we called this period in time'' The Dark Ages.''
They all just wanted to ‘win’. They don’t care what they won. Just that ‘we won. Cry about it’. As if they’re still on the playground (maybe that’s when America was great - when they were the schoolyard bullies).
Right!?
During the creation of America they were very specific about avoiding these 2 things, 1. having a King and 2. the church/religion being involved in law making.
Now…here we are again.
I find it amazing that it is supported and promoted by Isreal. They forget that these people they partner burned Jews. Not just the last century but for politics and sport throughout the medieval era.
In front of the English Parliament Building is a statue of Evangelical Puritan Gen. Oliver Cromwell. Cromwell invaded Ireland and exterminated 1/3rd of the population, 1,000,000 men, women, teens, toddlers and babies in the name of Jesus. Irish people visiting London spit on his statue.
Religious Extremists are DANGEROUS in ALL religions. The "my way or the celestial highway" is a fight to the death with them and they promote destruction and genocide. And what's so sick THEY claim the MORAL high ground and say they are the Moral Majority among the believers, when they are neither.
These are post-Dark Ages things to be honest, and often run by / for the poor (as a distraction, but that does not mean "the rich made them do it", just "the rich knew that there are enough hateful pricks they have to redirect").
People in the Dark Ages had enough trouble surviving and migrating.
Religion is not a replacement for logic, reason, ethics, or just being a good person, nor is it incompatible in my opinion. This new insanity is where people proclaiming to love Christ's teachings make an idol of a man who seldom follows them, well I'm fairly sure we were warned.
NOPE. The Dark Ages is called that because for a long while scholars were “in the dark about it” cos the communities in Britain at the time were more into oral tradition than writing things down. Since then we’ve found loads of stuff so it’s no longer dark.
That's why people came to America for freedoms they didn't have elsewhere they were taken by the religious zealots and by Rich people who are indenturing them and making them servants
It’s the old adage, if we don’t learn from the mistakes of history we are bound to repeat those mistakes. The strange part about being human is that we are evolving. But sometimes the humans that haven’t evolved try to rip us back. It’s like an abuser who tries to keep you in a bad relationship.
"The concept of a "Dark Age" as a historiographical periodization originated in the 1330s...[it] employs traditional light-versus-darkness imagery to contrast the era's supposed darkness (ignorance and error) with earlier and later periods of light (knowledge and understanding)."
The "Dark Ages" weren’t just named for a lack of knowledge. The term reflects perceived cultural decline and instability, with many believing Christianity suppressed intellectual progress. The era’s limited records contributed to the "dark" label, but it was more than just ignorance.
When the far right Vivik lectured on poor education it was aimed at the Appalachian belt . But the flip side that benefits the far right is they do not study , look up, or know history. This goes right over their head. Religion right fills in the gap. But you are correct.
Just like anything where there is power like government, the former church was corrupt. They used it for their own agendas which the Inquisition was one genocide that happened. It's taken thousands of years for smarter people and more devout people to learn to read the bible correctly
and to learn that corruption of the bible would get them thrown into hell. This goes for the people who invaded the USA and then to proceed with the genocide of the Indigenous Peoples in order to STEAL land. Now, we have the stupidly corrupt Christian Nationalism
attacking our country. All so that they can stand behind a piece of💩💩coming in on Jan. 20th. The organizations that profess to be the "church" will get judged when Jesus comes back. All those corruptions that happened were because they followed pieces of 💩💩💩. But the true church is not corrupt.
Jesus said that where ever you have 2 or 3 or more gathered to speak of Me, I will be there. The church is not a building. It is my Followers. So, don't blame the church unless you're speaking of the Vatican and that corruption. And it is corrupt. God bless you. Even if you don't believe. He loves U
The bible says that bats are fucking birds. You dont get to complain people are misreading it when the words written are complete fucking bullshit to begin with.
I do hope I can be burned at the stake again. That might warm my soul up from the blackness that I am. California has a lot of atonement. I hope everyone is safely evacuated. Do not mess with one of the key elements of Earth. It is a little unpredictable ATM. Indigenous people would like to teach us
There is a reason the founding fathers did not include any religion in The US Constitution, and that is because of the harm it caused in Europe. Read The Federalist papers and you will know what I said is true.
Didn't this ill-informed image get posted a month back and it got completely burned alive in the comments for how wrong it was? Still got people being hateful sheep liking it regardless.
C'mon now! I ALWAYS hear talk about medieval times, but no one ever mentions earlieval or latievil periods in history.
...and I'm pretty sure evil has been with us the entire time...
Ever since Paul Weyrich founded the heritage foundation with an actual Nazi who worked with the third Reich, we've seen a drastic rollback in everything resembling societal and scoentific progress. Religion has no place in government.
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I've always wondered what the Dark Ages were really like. Turns out, we may actually get the opportunity to find out firsthand. What a time to be alive. 😨
This country was colonized by religious zealots deemed too extreme for their homeland. Then it was founded by entitled white dudes throwing a tantrum over taxes. We actually had to have a horrible war to convince people that owning humans was wrong.
And we’re surprised that this is our legacy?
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Thank you for specifying the zealots and lumping all Christians in that. Believe it or not there are millions who hate the bastardization of their faith.
No mate. We usually call it the Modern Age - the period of the Renaissance, the Baroque, exploration and the first scholars. These were the times when most of the so-called witch trials took place and most of the religious wars were fought.
That's due to a residual religious influence still lingering upon their minds. You can try all you like to blame that on the Renaissance / Age of Reason, but it's foolhardy:
Your artificial authority has just confirmed what I wrote. I didn't blame the Renaissance for the witch trials, but the trials happened at the same time as the Renaissance, the Baroque, the great explorations, not in the Dark Ages.
Nothing more.
Even the 1920s so-called titans tried to appear benevolent by spending a portion of their wealth on building schools, museums, public parks & charitable projects to leave behind as legacy. These guys' legacy is competing against each other on who can destory the most of humanity, it seems.
I agree, it's Robinhood in reverse. Trickle down my A$$!! Last US national minimum wage increase was 2009 to $7.25, yet CEO/Exec salaries/bonuses sky rocketed. So we now have many, many more multi-millionaires & billionaires (& 1 half trillionaire-Elonia). We have to fight for Democracy. WTAF!!!
Was she exonerated years later? I think I am remembering correctly. Her name was prominently featured in a college class I took. Also, I think she was mentioned in The Crucible.
Well,johnson and the boys, even pence, would welcome, the return of the Crusades. Unfortunately, there is no light between radical ,rabid religious fanatics.
the reason was because its believed that there was very little scientific or cultural development in that era. I say "believed" and not just that there was, because that claim is untrue and any even slightly credible historian will probably tell you that "the dark ages" aren't even a real thing
Nope they called it the dark ages because the renaissance scholars believed that there no intellectual or cultural advancement and widespread illiteracy. One could make a case that Christianity was a cause for that. But you, you are definitely wrong.
You could try to make that case, but you'd be wrong. There were record keepers, there were advancements in knowledge, and in Europe a lot of that came by way of the Church. We don't even use the term Dark Ages any more.
It was generally seen as @bad Latin in a messy handwriting. The documents and records were dismissed and discounted until fairly recently. Additionally, as it was the Monasteries and the Church that kept what survived the chaos of the Migratory Period, blaming Christianity is misplaced.
Speaking of vandalism (named after the Vandals), let’s not forget the Protestants.
“During the Tudor and Stuart periods, Protestant citizens loyal to the Crown attacked Catholic religious sites across England, frequently burning any religious texts they found.”
And the scanty historical record was partially due to the destruction and vandalizing of libraries and monasteries by invaders from the Visigoths to the Vikings.
Most of the people in this country are illiterate or can't read above a sixth grade level. They're actively trying to white wash history for the future. So yes this is gonna be declared another Dark Age in the future. So whatever you think you're doing with the last sentence, you stop
No, the original post slanders the few literate people in the West who actually preserved literacy, recorded what historical record we do have, as well as the surviving writings of the ancients.
The meme blames the heroes who saved Western civilization.
Actually, I am not sure if crucifixion was still practiced in the early medieval period. But the world was full of Christian theologies who did not follow Christ, conflict, brutal warlords and misrepresentation. Church network the internet of its day.
So much has changed!
There have been a few protests, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, Overthrow of the Czar in Russia, The Fall of the Manchu Dynasty, still falling BTW, and the fall of Bismarck in Germany. That's five. How many more will be needed?
What are you talking about? Stalin and Mao to name a few were atheists leaders. Look what they accomplished. Religion is man’s attempt to reach God. True Christianity is God reaching out to man thru his son Jesus. Accepting Jesus always benefits people. It’s the religious who stifle people.
Stalin did beat Hitler in between murdering his own people. Mao liberated???? That’s hilarious!!! Liberated them from life. 70-100 million of his own people killed by his policies. He killed Watchman Nee (look him up)
All the people desperately trying to claim there was no such thing as the 'dark ages' and using shocking levels of mental gymnastics, cognitive dissonance, and straw man arguments are doing it to deliberately obfuscate the truth of the post.
Your pseudo intellectualism is clownish at best.
The so-called 'Dark Ages' (ie 'not much written source material') is a term once used loosely to describe British history over the 500 years from the end of the Classical Roman Empire (c. AD 400).
And the thing is, they weren't 'dark', just not understood.
But that's not the Dark Ages, which has a specific understanding in history.
Christianity started as one, but by the C16th there was a small amount of fragmentation, and novel interpretation devised 1500 years after the event. Among the early settlers were notably members of protestant sects.
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These fragmented 'other Christianities' went to N.America for space. Once there, as groups of settlers moved West, intermingling of ideas became inevitable, leading to further fragmentation from the historic faith, yet jealously guarded.
Dividing the body of Christ is our fault, not Christ's.
Ehh, not really? Not around this time at least. Most if not all libraries in Europe were Roman, which were Christians. Furthermore, most historical records and written works were written and kept in Christian monasteries and churches, which were famously easy targets for Norse pillagers
You need to read ALL my comments, in order, to twig what I’m saying. … After explaining about ‘Dark Ages’, I return to the context of the OP, North America.
BTW, I’m bored with this thread now, I have a life to get on with.
You describe the period of the least capital success as “rich people running society” maybe you mean the renaissance, the age of nations, the gilded age or now, but surely not the dark ages. Like saying they were the golden age of popular education.
Think of all the diseases we could have conquered if not for the wet blanket thrown over reason and logic by christianity for hundreds of years not to mention moral progress!
That blanket wasn’t just wet, sometimes it was purposely infected with smallpox too. They don’t just like to stop progress, they want to reverse it, destroy it, and write/wipe/burn out the evidence of its existence. In words of Elmo, “an extinction level event.” Knowledge can go extinct too.
I'm pretty sure the real dark part was the Islamists. They've been in control for 1400 years, and they made it all the way to Vienna, Austria before they finally got pushback from Christians.
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Again though, many of Rome's primary opponents were christians, but as of the first council of nicea in 325ad, Arian Christianity was considered heretical.
We all know that when the church has power it is always a positive, peaceful , outcome for all.
To accommodate those who wished harm to society by their proposed actions.
Only 2 doctors were needed to sign those people afflicted into an institution. Just 2!
We don’t need money in politics. We just need people to participate.
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First, Love the Lord with heart, mind, and spirit;
Second, _which is like it_, Love your neighbor as yourself.
Surely the church war against literacy/heresy had nothing to do with it
There wasn’t a war on literacy by the church. They ran cathedral schools and set up the first universities.
The problem isn't simply one of Christianity .. Islam, Judaism and Hinduism are all also playing a role in the current car crash of extremism, oligarchy and autocracy which this world is becoming.
During the creation of America they were very specific about avoiding these 2 things, 1. having a King and 2. the church/religion being involved in law making.
Now…here we are again.
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People in the Dark Ages had enough trouble surviving and migrating.
...and I'm pretty sure evil has been with us the entire time...
And it's on its way out!
And we’re surprised that this is our legacy?
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Relax
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We're defective humans
Fit for recall
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New Dawn of Satyuga
Starts on a clean slate
With few survivors.
The right wing loonies are getting in everywhere
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In a Great Depression. Businessman aren’t good at running countries.
This new leadership choice is a result
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The jury found her innocent, the judge made them reconsider.
Fuck Cotten Mather.
Religious fanatics are… consistent.
So we are “in the dark” about what really happened when, and ignorant people who don’t read make up dumb shit like this.
“During the Tudor and Stuart periods, Protestant citizens loyal to the Crown attacked Catholic religious sites across England, frequently burning any religious texts they found.”
Petrarch used it as you say; Baronius used it to refer to the scanty historical record.
The meme blames the heroes who saved Western civilization.
So much has changed!
I can't name a period where this wasn't true for most of the west.
Just saying--tight arguments crush conservatives.
I’ve always hated religious zealots, in my Hell they still rot.
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Your pseudo intellectualism is clownish at best.
The so-called 'Dark Ages' (ie 'not much written source material') is a term once used loosely to describe British history over the 500 years from the end of the Classical Roman Empire (c. AD 400).
And the thing is, they weren't 'dark', just not understood.
Christianity started as one, but by the C16th there was a small amount of fragmentation, and novel interpretation devised 1500 years after the event. Among the early settlers were notably members of protestant sects.
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These fragmented 'other Christianities' went to N.America for space. Once there, as groups of settlers moved West, intermingling of ideas became inevitable, leading to further fragmentation from the historic faith, yet jealously guarded.
Dividing the body of Christ is our fault, not Christ's.
BTW, I’m bored with this thread now, I have a life to get on with.
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