If you abduct someone and send them involuntarily and without recourse to a country where they've never lived to be imprisoned, that isn't deportation, it's human trafficking
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That’s not accurate to the definition of deportation. For example, Trotsky was deported to Spain from France for agitating against a war. I hate the current administration but these are deportations and it isn’t helpful to imply these people are being sold?
Like it’s actually just bad to deport people for the most part. You’re making it sound like it would be fine if these were deportations, but the problem is they’re actually not. They are deportations and that is the problem.
It never ceases to amuse me how fascists act like they think everything is a joke and they're totally unbothered and unflappable but they never fail to epitomize the old saying, "hit dogs will holler!"
If they ever reacted that way in person, I'll have to howl derisively like a Georgia bloodhound.
> Never believe [fascists] are unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know their remarks are frivolous, but they are amusing themselves; They delight in acting in bad faith, seeking not to persuade but to intimidate and disconcert.
— JP Sartre (1944)
That's sort of what I was alluding to; it's all a game to them, where they win by hurting as many people as possible, but some things they are confronted with make the game not fun for them and it's great to watch the sputtering.
I have mixed thoughts about whether to draw out the continuities or emphasize the breaks, but I would say "rendition" is probably the most apt term. deportation is pretty nebulous and arguably this fits, but to emphasize what is distinct about it, maybe rendition.
It's actually called "extraordinary rendition" and the US started doing it under Clinton then Bush re: "War on Terrorism". The difference between then and now is that most of the folks renditioned then were captured in other countries. Now they're snagged here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
I keep waffling on whether it's rendition because ostensibly rendition is done to foreign nationals suspected of a crime and this is just... anyone for any reason.
Me too. And "extraordinary rendition " is a term coined to make "kidnapping and torture in a country that is ok with that" sound nicer, so there's that.
Usually, but not always. Sometimes show trials or irrelevant hearings masquerade as due process. (Like if they had a careful hearing about where you were born but not if you had ever committed a crime.)
I no longer call them prisoners. 70% of deportees have no gang involvement & no gang affiliation. Call them what they are... The Trump Administration HOSTAGES! They must be returned
The technical term is extraordinary rendition, which is just state sanctioned kidnapping. It's gitmo shit.
This is the imperial boomerang, the methods used by the colonial power eventually being used internally. And it won't stop here, trump has already said he'll use this on us citizens.
built the camps predominantly in the east to make the transport logistics easier as populations of Jews Roma Sinti disabled, communists and anyone else they didn’t like the look of were greater there.
Germanic efficiency and American tabulating machines…
Yes! Thank you! This is so disgusting, and they are bragging about it. Everyone along the chain of command responsible for this should be tried and imprisoned.
One option:
Consider reporting Trump’s kidnapping, imprisonment & torture crimes to the International Criminal Court: https://otplink.icc-cpi.int/
The International Criminal Court can prosecute crimes against humanity… including imprisonment, enforced disappearances, enslavement, apartheid and deportation.
Absolutely. Human rights violations and Trump needs to be held to those charges. The buck stops with him. He needs to be taken to the International Courts and be held accountable. Accomplices: his Administration. Take them down. This should not be swept under the table
It's crimes against humanity. Look to the Holocaust. These are not the principles this country was founded on. This is not how our justice system works. This DOJ was not created to serve one person. This regime has bastardized our laws & compromised every single human being.
Go after state and local law enforcement.
A federal badge does not excuse illegal activities regardless what the "boss' tells you to do.
Letter I pinned to California legislators and Newsom.
It is time for some Second Amendment militias that will enforce our laws.
Let's consider the term "alien enemy"
Alien - a creature (from outer space; extraterrestrial). Often Disparaging and Offensive. Ppl that are different and strange.
Enemy-one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent; harmful or deadly.
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If the government detains someone and doesn’t say where they are and holds them incommunicado, it’s legally enforced disappearance. My article on enforced disappearance as a US border management strategy from December: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epub/10.1177/23315024241296839
Human trafficking and disappearing them
Not to their country of origin but to for-profit hard labor prisons nowhere near their homes
So very Hitleresque
Trump Claims Nazis Treated Jewish Prisoners With “Love”
Donald Trump made the unbelievable claim during a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Donald Trump gestures while speaking and sitting in the Oval Office🖕🖕🖕
Legit question: it’s my understanding that being in the U.S. illegally is not actually a criminal offense but a civil one? Am I wrong? Or exactly what is it that is being charged here? “Criminal”? “Illegal”? Or “aliens?” Seems like some standard should have to be met on one or all these things?
And yet when the American officials travel responsible for kidnapping and trafficking go overseas, they are not arrested under international law.
Vance should have been arrested in Greenland and taken to The Hague.
Sounds like something Putin would do. Deporting someone for being here illegally, I'm ok with that if they've never started immigration process. Selling them to a gulag...pure evil.
What can be DONE about this, is what I want to know. Avoiding the news lately because every day there is a new horror -- and this one is among the worst -- but talking, talking, talking about it is not helping those who've been kidnapped. Who FIGHTS for them???
We should be amassing on federal courthouse steps. At Congressional offices. On Freeway overpasses. At schools. Holding 24/7 vigils. Something more than we are.
Every Republican continues to trample all over our Consitution in his name… the true American people are watching you fuckers… I guess “cruel and unusual punishment” is ok for them too
Prisoners of any type deserve human rights. There should also be regulations that forbid their export to a country from which they can't be retrieved if there are any changes to evidence or conviction. Imagine if Democrats shipped opposition politicians there without recourse.
Looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction. On the orders of Potus Bush the Elder. And Bush the younger. Citizens of countries that America invaded were Rendioned to Cuba.
After September 11th. They attacked the Wrong Country.
15 of the Terrorists were Subjects of Saudi Arabia..
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It’s so distressing to watch something like this happen and to be essentially helpless. All I can do is write, call and protest but I fear that these men are gone forever never to be seen again. I hate the thought.
I agree with you and stuff but it's semantics. I saw recently that there was a change to Harriet Tubman being a human trafficer. Like it's not the same but what is semantically correct
Hey, some people think that Trump want to go back to 1860 to make America "Great Again", before slavery was abolished, but may be it's 1805, when international human trafficking of slaves was still legal.
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If they ever reacted that way in person, I'll have to howl derisively like a Georgia bloodhound.
— JP Sartre (1944)
Yes, they are the real neo-fascists of our times.
CQFD would have said Monsieur Jean-Paul Sartre.
“You like pudding? You monster!”
DOGE isn't "fixing" the government, it is dismantling it.
#Trump isn't "helping" Americans, he is retaliating against them.
Pam Bondi isn't "upholding" the Constitution, she is ignoring it.
#FuckTrump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition
And why is Trump apparently powerless to force them to do so?
Is it because there are many, many more innocent people in the prison from Hell?
This is the imperial boomerang, the methods used by the colonial power eventually being used internally. And it won't stop here, trump has already said he'll use this on us citizens.
Germanic efficiency and American tabulating machines…
Now they subcontract their evil offshore.
Consider reporting Trump’s kidnapping, imprisonment & torture crimes to the International Criminal Court:
https://otplink.icc-cpi.int/
The International Criminal Court can prosecute crimes against humanity… including imprisonment, enforced disappearances, enslavement, apartheid and deportation.
The arctic & El Salvador will become the US's gulag and it will break a lot of people. Not hyperbole.
Is not human trafficking and kidnapping a war crime?
Is Trump guilty of war crimes already, by the war he himself declared?
now engaging in human fcking trafficking!
Especially if someone is profiting from it
Use the right terms!!!!
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A federal badge does not excuse illegal activities regardless what the "boss' tells you to do.
Letter I pinned to California legislators and Newsom.
It is time for some Second Amendment militias that will enforce our laws.
Alien - a creature (from outer space; extraterrestrial). Often Disparaging and Offensive. Ppl that are different and strange.
Enemy-one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent; harmful or deadly.
🤔
Not to their country of origin but to for-profit hard labor prisons nowhere near their homes
So very Hitleresque
Donald Trump made the unbelievable claim during a press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Donald Trump gestures while speaking and sitting in the Oval Office🖕🖕🖕
Vance should have been arrested in Greenland and taken to The Hague.
It’s most likely trump learned his human trafficking skills from Epstein.
Pinocheting.
GOP says deportation, you say was there due process if not it's not deportation, it's Pinocheting
It IS terrorism
If it's to be imprisoned in a forced labor camp, it's *slavery*.
After September 11th. They attacked the Wrong Country.
15 of the Terrorists were Subjects of Saudi Arabia..
🇮🇪🇪🇺
Exodus 21:16
He is paying El Salvador which is trafficking and punishable by death!
A girl can hope.
Shameful!
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