Part of this must be the sharp drop off in alcohol consumption amongst young men over that period. - ThreadSky

samfr.bsky.social • 40 days ago

Part of this must be the sharp drop off in alcohol consumption amongst young men over that period.

Reposted from Iain King

A huge, quiet success: violence has fallen 75% in a generation:

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nickstripe.bsky.social•40 days ago

The story of crime in numbers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKpepMUmCQM

amandagillender.bsky.social•40 days ago

I think you're right.
Alcohol provokes far more violence than drugs.
What I don't know is - if you survive the violence - which is worse for your long term health.

laughinglemon.bsky.social•40 days ago

£7 a pint might be a factor there

jameswillby.bsky.social•40 days ago

Yep, that was my immediate assumption. But you'll have GB News decrying reduced drinking as woke of course. Must be tiring being so angry about good things.

markg87.bsky.social•40 days ago

Interesting,I hadn't realised that it had dropped.
Do you think the switch to service based roles will also have played a part with a focus on resolving disputes amicably?
The cynic in me though wonders if the proliferation of CCTV,DNA,Cell site tec etc has had more effect on behaviour

gustapher.bsky.social•40 days ago

This sounds like good news but could be misleading. If more (4x) people were using A&E as way of accessing healthcare instead of their GP then number wouldn’t have decreased. I hope it’s right though.

mcrosa.bsky.social•40 days ago

Yep. Too expensive to go out and get p*ssed every weekend.

knoxharrington.bsky.social•40 days ago

Liberalisation of licencing hours will have helped significantly in cities.

ianpolitics.bsky.social•40 days ago

it's good news

jonouk.bsky.social•40 days ago

As a teenager in the mid 2000s, there was always random (often unprovoked) violence between groups in boring towns. I’m wondering if teens these days are spending time doing positive things (gym) etc rather than drinking in parks which seemed to be the norm then. Online gaming these days too.

bushhelenm.bsky.social•40 days ago

But has some moved from the open street to behind the closed door of the home or relationship in more violence against women and girls - at least some of which doesn’t appear at A&E?

wimsam.bsky.social•37 days ago

“Alcohol used to occupy a much bigger share of people’s entertainment and joy,”
“In the past 10 years, ...entertaining things has grown incl gaming, so ...alcohol’s share of fun, enjoyment and happiness has decreased.”
~ Atsushi Katsuki of Japan’s Asahi Brewing
https://www.ft.com/content/a0fcf6b7-13f5-4c7c-81e9-6692f14ac942

yebisu-dragon.bsky.social•40 days ago

(All of it)

alastairmeeks.bsky.social•40 days ago

Demographics more generally too? As the population ages, a virtuous circle sets in of fewer incidents (fighting is a young man's game) and of lower social acceptability of violence, I'd have thought.

alanrew.bsky.social•40 days ago

Those figures shown on the chart don't allow for capacities of A&E departments changing over the period. They also don't allow for people being less inclined to use A&E nowadays because of TV reports showing queues of ambulances & worsening service generally. Slope of curve shown might be too steep.

cepmurphy.bsky.social•40 days ago

A massive number of people use the A&E every month though, according to all the NHS stats (this is part of _why_ the wait's so long, there's a crapton of people there), and this is too sustained a drop to be solely down to what people do nowadays.

alanrew.bsky.social•40 days ago

I'm not saying that violence isn't down, I'm pointing out that trying to prove that hypothesis with a chart like that means making an effort to exclude confounding factors such as A&E capacity. I do hope that violence is coming down.

cepmurphy.bsky.social•40 days ago

And this is injuries from violence, when you would surely be more likely to go to A&E (or be sent there). A lot of this drop also tracks with reports of violent crime reports dropping for a while - and violent deaths in places https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24347387

samfr.bsky.social•40 days ago

Though the number of young men is rising at the moment (due to birth rate rising in the 2000s and immigration).

localnotail.bsky.social•40 days ago

Some of the decrease in violence is likely due to an increased proportion of Muslims in British drunk-fighting age men.
It's probably about 4:1 drinker : non-drinker in 20 yr olds nowadays

juneussell.bsky.social•40 days ago

There isn’t just the one aging generation, though. Young men do keep arriving.

simonjonesalfa.bsky.social•40 days ago

In my experience the newer generation have just replaced alcohol with cocaine.

grouchymarx.bsky.social•40 days ago

And the sharp rise of women in government and other senior positions of education and influence.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T

tarielcell.bsky.social•40 days ago

Also cameras everywhere

mistachris.bsky.social•40 days ago

Also possibly the removal of lead additives in petrol which seem to correlate positively with violence - there’s a delay after its removal for the reduction effect to materialise.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

maxdaly.bsky.social•40 days ago

Good point Sam

sputniksteve.bsky.social•40 days ago

Also, they’re all too busy scrolling the socials.

amazingmikeyc.bsky.social•40 days ago

Or more specifically that consumption being done at home rather than out at pubs

wohyeahwohyeah.bsky.social•40 days ago

Boomers are too old to go out now

thombeckett.com•40 days ago

I would go so far as to say almost all of it.

jmolofsson.bsky.social•40 days ago

It would have been enlightening to have a diagram showing a breakpoint.

1015saturdaynight.bsky.social•40 days ago

Someone should mischieviously attribute it to immigration (although that may be a factor)

mikeperran.bsky.social•40 days ago

I had a few visits to A& E after town centre grief in the 80s and90s but now the thought of 8 hours waiting is defo a deterrent factor. You mate needs stitches just go home.

johnbroggio.bsky.social•40 days ago

Unleaded petrol

boxman266.bsky.social•40 days ago

Why pay a fortune for alcohol when recreational drugs are everywhere and cheaper
I think most over 50's would be shocked at the open drug talking in the UK these days

4u1e.bsky.social•40 days ago

Dunno. I fall into that age range and I'm entirely used to smelling cannabis more or less everywhere around town.

boxman266.bsky.social•40 days ago

Cannabis is a long way from the drug of choice for a night out

4u1e.bsky.social•40 days ago

I'm sure, but easier to spot out and about, I guess.

elwick70.bsky.social•40 days ago

The over 50s are probably prime users

Coke, the middle class buzz of choice…

iainbking.com•40 days ago

It’s such a huge and dramatic fall that there must be several large factors. The article the graph is from (in this week’s Economist) does indeed focus on alcohol.

elwick70.bsky.social•40 days ago

Stella is known as “wife beater” for a reason…

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