Waiting outside a Jewish museum to shoot people coming out of an event hosted by a Jewish organization is antisemitism, this is not hard. Horrifying, but not hard. This is antisemitism, and it's wrong, and it's bad.
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If the people that died were not Jewish, what would be it then? I am curious. I think it was just an insane murder aimed at displaying revenge. Mass bombings of Israel oh civilians in Gaza could be termed as Islamophobia. Maybe. When a white cop kills a black man, do we call it a racist event?
I think it might have been, but it just as easily might not have been. It does show a bit of bias to assume that it was anti-Semitic. As another poster said, if a white cop kills a black man, do we call it racist? Maybe so. Maybe not. IMHO. I think I'd need more information in order to decide.
Yes, absolutely! And killing thousands of Palestinians because they're still in the territory you've wished to occupy for 50+ years is OK!!! People need to understand what's reasonable and what's crossing the line.
They’re trying to spin this as “he was gunning for Israeli government employees so it’s not about anti semitism” but I have seen nothing to prove that he knew who they were. He was just shooting at people coming from a Jewish community space whom he assumed were Jewish.
And somehow the two people turned out to be Israeli diplomats who were part of the mission to build relations between the American and the Israelis at the behest of the Israeli government.
It’s a hate crime and to be condemned for that. To attain knowledge about ulterior motives is the work of professional investigators. In the meantime we may ask: is the notion of freeing Palestine from Occupation antisemitic???
I hear you and I'm sure the shooter was deeply anti-Semitic but shooting 2 Israel embassy diplomatic staff because of war in Gaza is not anti-Semitic its terrorism. Not sure it has any moral weight difference.
Obviously we don't know all the facts but it's important to be specific and accurate
He walked up to a group of four and fired into them--not targeted, which is why I'm saying antisemitism. It's not like he targeted a specific Israeli official, which, yes, terrorism, assassination, etc.--he shout into a group coming out. All of them bad, but I still think my description is accurate.
I think it would depend on what shooter thought about the event.
If he thought he was going there to shoot Israeli diplomats bc of the event then =terrorism.
If he thought this is a good place to kill jews then - antisemitic terrorism.
Again to me had no moral dif but these terms have to be accurate
Use this logic for the harrassment of Muslims after 9/11. Not many of the left worries about the semantics about whether it was antisemitic or anti Arab. It was both, clear as day.
Right but I’m just looking at facts. The shooter didn’t say “I hate Jews” when he killed them. He said “free Palestine”.
Therefore I don’t think it wise to call the attack antisemitic when it highly likely was anti-Israel. The conflation of the two is in fact antisemitic.
"The American Jewish Committee had been hosting an event at the Capital Jewish Museum aimed at bridge-building in the Middle East and North Africa." - yeah it's anti semitic to shoot random people leaving a Jewish event at a Jewish museum, sorry your brain is broken
I promise you, when you get older this will either be embarrassing to you or you will be a fascist - those are kinda your only two routes when you start excusing senseless violence.
This case will be cited as the coming reasoning for Pam Bondi's and Kash Patel's secret police actions against what they will term as 'antisemitic terrorist cells.'
I'm certain he didn't read that his Jewish fiancee was a supporter of Jewish-Arab relations either.
I don't believe the shooter knew much about them other than they were at an event sponsored by the American Jewish Committee at the Capital Jewish Museum.
Killing people is almost always wrong and bad, but it's very clear that this has nothing to do with their religion, aside from that religion's tangential and highly controversial relationship to one particularly bloodthirsty and despotic nation-state.
and based on the killer's manifesto i think that's a tidy oversimplification of why a person had this particular breakdown and did this particular thing
this was an act of political murder far more fine-grained than "i just want to kill some jewish people"
It's the poster child consequence of Zionists convincing the whole world that they represent ALL of us. Buncha normal ass folk about to get hurt or killed because every media outlet is blaring hot garbage nonsense.
Nah. A political assassination motivated by Israel's heinous war crimes is not antisemitism. If you actually believe that, could any Israeli diplomatic employee be assassinated without it being antisemitism?
So many genocide apologists deliberately misslabel Israeli settlers as semitic to perpetuate the narrative of victimhood no matter what inhumane acts zionists have committed since the mid 1800s
do you not have shame? This event had as much to do with humanitarian aid as Auschwitz did to a health resort. (For the illiterate crowd: nothing at all)
Also, yes I fucking do. Killing Palestinians is antisemitic because Palestinians are Semites. Calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is antisemitic
Conflating Israel to Judaism IS antisemitic. Jewish people are not a monolith ffs
I literally mention the event above and the organization behind it
Having a Jewish father doesn't mean shit. He's still an evangelical Christian. But even if he was Jewish he is still a Zionist. Whom the gunman was targeting
The bad faith shitheads furrowing their brows and pretending they’re running to the dictionary every time someone uses the term “anti-Semitic”, as if it hasn’t been used for centuries
Apparently it was coined as a term in 1879 so "centuries" is a bit of a stretch. But I agree that it's definitely been in use long enough to be commonly understood. I also understand why non-jewish Semitic peoples are discontent with the term, but we are where we are.
That is sophistry. The suspect is in custody, his manifesto has been released, antisemitism had nothing to do with it. He had a problem with a country, not a religion. Conflating them is purposeful.
The problem is Zionists don’t want to stay within the borders that were granted in 1948, which displaced 750,000 Palestinians. They want to create a Greater Israel by taking more land.
Killing innocent people because of who and where they are is always evil. Whether perpetrated against Jews or en masse by way of manifest genocide against Palestinians. Happy to be blocked by those who consider this falls foul of what they define as antisemitic
Still very wrong to kill them. But it's always disingenuous to use incidents like this as an excuse to demonise opponents of the oppression and genocide of Palestinians. As if individual loss of life on one side is an antisemitic tragedy, but mass loss of life on the other is a necessary statistic
So sick of apologists on all sides of this entire Gaza situation. When push comes to shove netenyahu, Hamas. the settler movement, the Iranian regime, Smotrich and Ben Gvir, hezbollah and all the rest are just different the same right wing religious jerks coin.
This right here. I have no problem with the Jewish people, or Muslims. Or anyone, really. But Hamas, Hezbollah, Bibi- yes, all the right wing religious pricks are the problem. They all believe the other side shouldn’t exist. No chance for any sort of resolution. And more people will die. 😞
Conflating Judaism with Israel and Zionist genocide is antisemitism, not people reacting to genocide.
There are Jewish people all over the world protesting loudly against Israel's genocide, and you make them unsafe when you try to suggest that any reaction to Israel's genocide is related to Judaism
Okay but we don't know that the shooter knew they were from the embassy. That's what he's saying. As far as we know, the shooter waited outside of an event for Jewish people and then shot the Jewish people who walked out of it.
I agree with your statement, but not in this context.
That's weird... I can't seem to find a source saying that he was looking for the pair specifically. Oddly enough the currently available information says that he fired into a group of four people who were leaving an event for Jewish people. I guess you have more information, then?
There's a ridiculous, absurd, obscene double-standard and inequity in this discussion, and it relies entirely and exclusively on the pure unfettered dehumanization of Palestinians, Muslims, and non-white people.
An obsession with "but what if a WHITE JEW was targeted" while Muslims are genocided...
Two things can be wrong at the same time. This will do absolutely nothing to help a single Palestinian. This looks like confirmation to the people calling pro-Palestine activists violent terrorists. This was the dumbest fucking thing he could have done for the movement.
But clearly not as antisemitic as *checks notes* protesting against genocide
In all seriousness, antisemitism is such a real and dangerous problem and the way it's being used in the new McCarthyism is actively harmful to efforts to fight it :(
Whether he’s genuinely antisemitic or not (subtle clues, like the targeting of random Jews for murder, might suggest that he is), can we all agree that he’s a stupid fucking goof?
I draw umbrage at the word "goof" applying to him as I want to keep that for light hearted, good natured people.. But I can certainly agree with the spirit of your statement.
These murders are the cost of excusing antisemitism as “free speech.” When hate against the world’s only Jewish state is normalized, violence follows. Nearly half of global Jewish population lives in Israel—targeting it is antisemitism. Period.
When we excuse antisemitic hate on campuses and streets since Oct 7, and dismiss Jewish voices naming it, we deny them the same dignity we grant other marginalized groups. Ignoring their pain doesn’t just silence—it invites the violence we’re now seeing
I think using Judaism as a smoke screen to ethnically cleanse and colonize land is antisemitic.
Zionism is not only an idea it is the reality on the ground for Palestinians. They are subjugated under an apartheid regime and being exterminated. You don’t get to pretend about an idealized Zionism
Cool. We’re talking about politics here not ancient history. Modern state of Israel was founded in 1948. Maybe you should stick to playing with your Pokémon
The meaning of the word anti-Semitism has been so prostituted and so devalued by the criminal government of Israel... it automatically devalues the opinion of whoever uses it
The violence is the problem-on both sides.
Folks who point to ONE incident of violence ignore history.
There's even MORE history than this, but ...
--The Nazi Holocaust emboldened the creation of Israel.
--Neighboring states attacked Israel.
--Israel denied rights to Muslim groups & took land.
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--Israeli govt attacks on West Bank and Gaza folks.
--Oct. 7 terror act
--Israels overt over reaction and arguable genocide of Gazans.
--Now this killing of two innocent Jews on the streets of DC.
We must learn that violence is NOT the answer to difficult political situations.
If I shot a Palestinian on the street i don't think anyone would tolerate the insinuation that if hamas didn't commit the Oct 7th attack then it wouldn't have happened so really it's their fault
No. It was a political assassination of members of the Israeli government. The shooter said "Free Palestine" openly. It wasn't a hate crime and I'm tired of the narrative that it was being spread across the web. It wasn't right- murder is bad. But it isn't anti-semitism.
he didn't go to the Israeli embassy and start shooting. he went to a Jewish museum in the USA and shot people he saw walking out of there. this is not the first time someone has attacked Jews and then claimed it was for Palestine.
So you're telling me that he just so happened to choose two people oiling the gears of genocide and mass murder out of everyone there? Followed by "free Palestine?" No, it was a targeted hit. When I'm shown to be correct during his trial thank me then.
The event literally had invited a speaker to discuss the difficulties of getting aid into Gaza, a joint Jewish and Arab event, stop excusing terrorism because you were radicalized online
If someone went to a muslim museum and shot some muslims after a muslim event, only to then yell something about how I dislike ISIS, you'd be a fool and a tool to insist that it wasn't a hate crime against muslims.
one of the people he murdered literally dedicated her cut-short career to the peace process, to environmental justice and working to build relations between Jews and Arabs in the Levant.
if he DID target her specifically, more villain he.
and if you're surprised that a few Israeli diplomatic staff were at an event at a Jewish museum about diplomacy in the Middle East, well, you must be easily surprised.
They weren't killed because they were Jews, they were killed because they represent a Nuclear-Armed, Genocidal, Terror State which murders civilians and weaponises Famine acting with impunity because of US support.
And I'm just saying there's two genocidal wars on the world stage right now. One has less causa bella and has been going longer than the other, but it's the shorter one that has resulted in random citizens attacking their embassy workers.
It doesn't add up unless you include antisemitism.
Ukraine has the support of governments of the western world, while Russia has been sanctioned. Meanwhile, Israel is shielded from criticism or the political cost of doing Genocide by the US in opposition to popular sentiment. That's more than enough to explain it-
Waiting for Israeli government officials outside of a building for them to come out and shoot them, is actually anti-israeliism. These weren’t innocent people. They were employees of a government committing genocide. But nice try with the gaslighting.
The Israeli embassy in DC is not around the block from this shooting site at the Capital Jewish Museum. It’s closer to 20-minutes driving distance apart.
I doubt that the killer knew about his hit civilian targets being affiliated with the Israeli embassy. It‘s a murderous hate crime either way.
Russia started its genocidal war without provocations and a year before the Gazan war. Why hasn't any Russian embassy employees been shot over that genocide?
Terrible! Are you also outraged by the ongoing Holocaust in Gaza and pogroms in the West Bank, Palestine which are perpetrated by the Israelis? Israelis have been burning Palestinian kids alive and they revel in it. Israelis have been gang raping Palestinian hostages to death and they love it?
Sure. There aren't any other innocent people being murdered by the thousands who might also deserve our empathy, though. Or terrorists murdering them who deserve our opprobrium?
So what do you call killing tens of thousands of Palestinians?
I’m not trying to downplay the murder of this couple but we can’t keep focusing on the deaths of Israelis or Jews without having a discussion on the genocide. They’re related.
From what we know it seems politically motivated.Anti-Israel is not antisemitic.Judaism is not Zionism.To quote the assassin's manifesto:The Israelis themselves boast about their own shock at the free hand the Americans have given them to exterminate the Palestinians
This statement is antisemitic?
How are you saying "this is pretty clearly that" when the 'that' you are talking about is a word you agree "has lost all meaning" in the very same sentence?
The *reason* it has lost all meaning is because of people like you using it like this, conflating Judaism & all Jews with Israel's genocide.
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https://news.sky.com/story/netanyahu-launches-attack-on-starmer-macron-and-carney-after-embassy-shooting-13372966
Obviously we don't know all the facts but it's important to be specific and accurate
If he thought he was going there to shoot Israeli diplomats bc of the event then =terrorism.
If he thought this is a good place to kill jews then - antisemitic terrorism.
Again to me had no moral dif but these terms have to be accurate
Here’s a tweet from the victim claiming to be Christian.
If someone plans to attack a mosque and shoots a white Christian too that doesn't actually change the motivation of the attack.
Therefore I don’t think it wise to call the attack antisemitic when it highly likely was anti-Israel. The conflation of the two is in fact antisemitic.
"The American Jewish Committee had been hosting an event at the Capital Jewish Museum aimed at bridge-building in the Middle East and North Africa." - yeah it's anti semitic to shoot random people leaving a Jewish event at a Jewish museum, sorry your brain is broken
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/22/world/middleeast/israel-embassy-dc-shooting-victims-sarah-milgrim-yaron-lischinsky.html
Still I’m willing to wager the killer had a bigger bone to pick with the victims Zionism and support for Israel than their supposed half Judaism.
More likely he is anti Israel. Hence why he killed a Christian Zionist. Just trying to get that facts straight.
No, I do not think the attack was antisemitic.
I'm guessing that he identified as a pro-Zionist Christian to Garner support from other pro-Zionist Christians.
We'll never know how he would raise his family.
Mark my words.
I don't believe the shooter knew much about them other than they were at an event sponsored by the American Jewish Committee at the Capital Jewish Museum.
For me that strongly suggests anti-Jew
I'll stick with: he wanted to kill a couple Jews.
https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-israel-hamas-war-gaza-31f1755f8426ec81cb07b29bff3db70e
• "young diplomats" gathering sponsored by AJC
• discussing aid to gaza from an israeli perspective, according to IsraAID
we can condemn shooting people in the street without framing this as ipso-facto an act of ethnic hatred
this was an act of political murder far more fine-grained than "i just want to kill some jewish people"
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto
The gunman traveled to DC from Chicago to an ACJ ACCESS Young Diplomats Reception. A literal Zionist event. He was targeting Zionists
Yoran was a German Evangelical CHRISTIAN
You are a bad faith actor who is purposely equating Israel to Judaism which is Antisemitic
Eat shit fascist
The "scholar of religious violence" apparently knows nothing about Israeli violence or Zionism after egregious records 77 years old
The HOLOCAUST SCHOLARS call Israel an ethnostate and genocidal body. What a shameful person to include that detail in their bio
Lots of young zionists support the 2SS, especially in Jewish spaces as it's the mainstream position.
This event had to do with aid for Gaza. You have no right to tell Jews what counts as antisemitism
Also yes it was. It's in the reporting
You cannot compare Auschwitz to what's going on. The holocaust isn't your token reference point to throw out whenever you feel like it
Notice how you gave up telling me that anti-zionism hurts your feelings so it's antisemitic?
This rhetoric you spew is dangerous and causes real antisemitism
Conflating Israel to Judaism IS antisemitic. Jewish people are not a monolith ffs
I'm not calling for Palestine to be ethnically cleansed and neither were the victims
Most Jewish people also want Israel to keep existing, which is literally zionism
Palestinians have ancestry with the Jewish people who lived there thousands of years ago too
Christian Zionists ALSO exist
You're just repeating talking points now and talking over actual Jews.
Just gonna mute you. You're no ally of mine or my community
The gall and hate you have is astounding
I literally mention the event above and the organization behind it
Having a Jewish father doesn't mean shit. He's still an evangelical Christian. But even if he was Jewish he is still a Zionist. Whom the gunman was targeting
Zionism is NOT Judaism
The AJC does a lot of good work and they literally put on an event about getting more humanitarian aid to places like Gaza.
He was an Israeli Christian and a legal citizen who was proud of his country.
You do not get to decide that as well.
The event was NOT about funding for Gaza, and you cannot prove that it was whatsoever. But, again even if it were the gunman was targeting Zionists
Are you saying that all Jewish people are Israeli?
And yes I can it was literally reported by CNN.
Not all Jewish people are Israelis, but half of all Jews are Israelis
He went into a Jewish space and killed people he thought were zionists. He equated Jew with Zionist
You don't see bosnians walking into Serbian churches and spaces and executing random serbs.
Is being anti-Israel antisemitic?
At least one victim was Christian, the USA is a zionist regime .. administration and media and are the driver of the genocide of Palestine.
zionists are not Jews.
While this was definitely murder, it's definitively not anti-Semitic.
"Semitic" means people of the same root language. Not exclusively Israeli or Jewish people.
Words either have meaning, or they don't.
Hope that helps.
Agree with the rest of your take though.
People are sick.
Calling it antisemitism is just a cheap insult to all the dead babies.
Framing this as 'antisemitism' is wrong
There are Jewish people all over the world protesting loudly against Israel's genocide, and you make them unsafe when you try to suggest that any reaction to Israel's genocide is related to Judaism
I agree with your statement, but not in this context.
Framing this as antisemitism is wrong
if he was there simply to 'kill Jews' surely he would fire into the crowd or go inside
the event wasnt for random Jewish people, it was specifically for diplomats
An obsession with "but what if a WHITE JEW was targeted" while Muslims are genocided...
It will only make him a martyr with the Free Palestinian movement
In all seriousness, antisemitism is such a real and dangerous problem and the way it's being used in the new McCarthyism is actively harmful to efforts to fight it :(
Zionism is not only an idea it is the reality on the ground for Palestinians. They are subjugated under an apartheid regime and being exterminated. You don’t get to pretend about an idealized Zionism
Folks who point to ONE incident of violence ignore history.
There's even MORE history than this, but ...
--The Nazi Holocaust emboldened the creation of Israel.
--Neighboring states attacked Israel.
--Israel denied rights to Muslim groups & took land.
1/
--Israeli govt attacks on West Bank and Gaza folks.
--Oct. 7 terror act
--Israels overt over reaction and arguable genocide of Gazans.
--Now this killing of two innocent Jews on the streets of DC.
We must learn that violence is NOT the answer to difficult political situations.
Just explaining why someone would do something so awful.
if he DID target her specifically, more villain he.
Why have zero Russian embassy workers been shot despite the Ukrainian war starting a year before the Gaza one?
It doesn't add up unless you include antisemitism.
I doubt that the killer knew about his hit civilian targets being affiliated with the Israeli embassy. It‘s a murderous hate crime either way.
I’m not trying to downplay the murder of this couple but we can’t keep focusing on the deaths of Israelis or Jews without having a discussion on the genocide. They’re related.
This statement is antisemitic?
"people" were Israeli embassy staff.
Attacking Israel is not antisemitic
The *reason* it has lost all meaning is because of people like you using it like this, conflating Judaism & all Jews with Israel's genocide.
Meanwhile:
Do Gazans also get a special word for the prejudice against them?