They're not, they can't. It would take a high level official to even get it going, and anyone who could is gone already. They will continue to do what they're told just as they're trained to do.
I'm not getting your comment, you mean the military IS going to interfere unless they're directly ordered to not interfere? No, I don't think that's how it works.
It is entirely possible I misunderstood something I read from a Cornell article, but I thought it said something to the effect that trained personnel could do so if the President violates his exclusive constitutional authority and the chain of command has been breached.
Interesting and makes sense. Now I'm going to have to look into the specifics of it, cuz I just don't see how the troops are going to rally up. I'm wondering who exactly trained personnel is and what they're considering breach of command. But even by that, does seem a little out of reach to achieve.
The military will never follow orders from trump that are not constitutional. we have not been tested like this and we all know trump will go too far leaving no other choice, nut to stop him. I am betting on Patriots.
Like your optimism. But unless it's an actual military coup in place, then the military will follow their commanders who will follow the president. THIS is one thing that I would love more than anything to be wrong about. And I say that with heartfelt gravity.
The question is would a military Coup d'état be better or worse than the current situation and would who ever lead it peacefully surrender power and hold elections after removing the current admin from power.
You know what really anger me is how they can quickly make this out to be unimportant issue. They also play blame game! People are not stupid!! Stop all the acting, lies and do better.
I work in financial services. I get training in communications security, because communications between the business and the customer as well as internal communications must be monitored for compliance and preserved. You have to sign off on this. If you go off channel, you can be terminated.
We have a law against this. Our current administration, including Defense Department & Department of Justice ignore it. Espionage Act of 1917, which criminalizes the unauthorized retention or disclosure of information related to national defense, is still in effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage_Act_of_1917
I can't believe that she wasn't pardoned by the Biden administration. People have been imprisoned for lengthy sentences for much less than what the White House staff just did.
Yes, she should‘ve been pardoned right away when he took office. It would’ve sent a message of truth and transparency about the 2016 election to America and the world. I believe this was the path to bring things to light imho
We have lots of laws this President and his administration pay no attention to. They ARE the law. And 70 million of the American people are perfectly good with that.
[2/2] If you can, take family and / or friends and show up at their office. It's important to make our Democrat & Republican Senators & Representatives confront you, so they can't treat you like a faceless voter.
tRump is not our president. He doesn’t represent us, is not protecting our laws our constitution. He is terrorizing 350 million Americans! Our constitution demands our military step up and back up our judicial system: remove him and his minions. Presidential immunity doesn’t cover this coup!
Actually it's our job to do that, not the military's.
It's going to take us getting in the streets en mass. And if that doesn't work, well taking down a wannabe king seems like a great way to embrace the 250th anniversary of the nation.
Our politicians aren't gonna do anything about this. Unless you want to continue down this road, it's time to stop being scared and get prepared. It's coming no matter what we do.
It's never going to happen, not when Trump loyalists are all in place. We, the people, mean nothing to them. Trump said it out loud at his rallies. "I don't care about you. I just want your vote, and you'll never have to vote again."
Resistors the next work stop coincides with the 4/5 sit in: all 50 states, starting at 12am 4/1 to 12am 4/6. We must remove the orange buffoon and criminals from our government. We must resist as we can to shut down the country for as long as it takes to remove the orange plague.
Reporters need to be clear in their questions. “Now that it’s clear that these people violated the espionage act how do you plan on punishing them?” Don’t allow republicans try to spin this by asking what do you think or something soft.
I don't see ANY point to it. That was one of the excuses to Warner this morning. Drump & his entire cabinet make no sense, except as a money/power grab.
Just curious, exactly how much was divulged, was it highly sensitive, what if it was a diversion tactic considering the bigger news was trump didn't get the ukraine ceasefire whilst russia continued bombing.
Ok name someone currently in power that can stop him. I don't mean a judge to say that was wrong, I mean who can go to white house or Florida golf course and put the cuffs on any of them.
I do security for my day job. Every member of that chat should lose their clearance just for using that chat for a classified meeting of any kind. It makes me wonder why we even bother.
My god, even a company like Microsoft had a SCIF-level room, and not even in Redmond, where sensitive company stuff was discussed. It wasn't plans for bombing another country type stuff either.
Ordinarily, annual training is required on how to handle classified information and the professional and legal ramifications of mishandling it. Did Trump's Cabinet skip their training?
As a retired dod employee, if i had done some as stupid as that it would of meant my job and jail time.
I would of lost my job for mishandling cui, let alone confidential or above info.
It’s a true embarrassment that they will do everything in their power to sweep it under the rug.
Tulsi and Hegseth are veterans. They, of all people, should know better. How can Tulsi be trusted as DNI when she handles matters like this on Signal? How can Hegseth be trusted as Pentagon head when he texts details of attack plans on Signal?
Trump demands it of the SSOs who no longer have any avenue for redress. That's what the OSC was. There is no OSC now. Americans don't understand their govt, its processes, or how each of these events are blindingly dangerous.
NFL teams secure their playbooks better than US government secures war plans. Football coaches like comparing the sport to war. Maybe DOD could have an NFL team come in for a security seminar?
Signal messages disappear. Secure messages do not. Yes it’s bad that this was classified but that’s not where the investigation should stop. The entire cabinet is likely using Signal illegally to hide communications that must be preserved.
But if your messages disappear you can do really shitty things against your own people and then blame someone else. This is similar to an old KGB tactic btw.
Whatever Putin or MBS or Elon or Donny want done, to whoever they want it done to, and no accountability.
It's by design.
In what timeframe? News flash, we have this thing called screen shot. Snapchat disappeared too. Guess what, revenge porn all over the net from screenshots. That is a joke.
Not true. Signal has to be programmed specifically in order for the information to disappear. It doesn’t always disappear. Get your facts straight before posting
This is just one breach that we happen know about. At best Putin has unfettered access to all our government networks/data due to doors being ripped off by DOGE. More likely Trump already gave him all the passwords anyway.
I think the U.S. should focus less on the incompetence and more on the danger. Our risk level just shot up. Are these the idiots we want responding to threats?
Right. But this is not the military. It’s a fascist dictatorship. Which the American people voted for repeatedly, over the last half century because it was wrapped in a fucking flag.
I wish I had that much time. I’m dependent on Medicaid, my partner is disabled and is dependent on Medicare/SSDI, my dad is a non-combat veteran so only gets partial VA benefits and doesn’t qualify for SS because of his retirement which the vast majority of, goes to paying off CC debt. My only hope
is to emigrate my family to Canada. This country (not just the government, but a huge part of the population) has turned its back on those who struggle to make ends meet. I owe it nothing.
Jack Teixeira. Hegseth & co did MUCH worse than Teixeira, who published classified docs on Discord, pled guilty for unauthorized retention/transmission of natl defense info violating the Espionage Act of 1917. They all did SO much worse.
They need to go one every news outlet and podcast and scream what’s actually happening to the Americans people like republicans do when Dems fuck up! How many Benghazi hearings were there? 11? MAGA is still talking about HRC’s em but no one talked about Ivanka doing the exact same thing
You know what I suggest? What about that ALL people who are not insane go and help spread the word? Like don't you think that its irrelevant WHO informs the people, that it should be clear that only the American people can fix it?
Which part of constitutional crisis and fascist regime do you not understand? There is just one group of people who can stop this: The American people. No one else. Nothing. Nada. Trust me. - A German
What can they do? These are the consequences of voting for incompetent, criminals. The Democrats warned everyone. They all knew who they were voting for. Now you can't expect the Dems to clean it up.
I'm with you. I love what Bernie, AOC and Jasmine Crockett are doing. These Republicans need to be publicly shamed and the American public (those who "don't read the news", sigh) need to be told in every possible venue what they are doing.
We can sure raise a stink about this! Republicans always claim they're stronger on national security. Well, really? And they handle classified info like this???
Follow it up with actual removals and criminal charges for starters, then start calling for sentencing them to firing squads and gallows for high treason. It's blindingly obvious what they should be doing right now.
It's really not. You clearly aren't even slightly familiar with American government and how it was designed to work. See if you can find a middle school Social Studies textbook online to get an idea before wasting anyone else's time trying to seem intellectual.
This falls on the commander-in-chief. He is the so-called leader and all mistakes are his to own. Any respectful and patriotic military leader would own up and pay the price for mistakes made by those that they command. 
A young soldier who was in charge of military intelligence went to prison for sharing some information on Discord with his gaming group. He was found out and sentenced. It was not that long ago.
Please just agree on this forum. Please get on the phone or e-mail and tell your reps in DC what you think. Resist. It only takes a few minutes and it doesn't cost any money. We don't need money in politics. We just need people to participate. https://www.nationalfinancialplan.com
They can’t shut the internet down for us and not them as well; and they are not intelligent enough to practice any OP/SEC. That gives us a tactical and strategic advantage. They’re kinda dumb and easily misled, that can be used against them.
Pete looked buzzed when he got off the plane. He tried to convince the reporter that it was a lie and journalists can’t be trusted. However his stuttered ramblings were more like that of scared frat boy. Anyone with an active duty military family member should be calling their reps.
No shit. But we have known that politicians are held to double standards for years. Just look at the first Trump term & everything that's come after it. Its fucking revolting and nothing more then another major terrible blemish at best or cancer at worst that may possibly be our demise
James Comey said there was no crime committed! Hillary had no classified info in her emails. Her account was never hacked & if these morons expect us to believe that no classified info was discussed, they should be able to tell us, word for word, what was said.
Remember, Pete still cannot believe his good fortune that a creep like Agent Orange would consider a Moran like him for such an important position. - He just has to keep 'acting' important and wants his ex's and drinking buddies to see how important he IS now, he is a Moran!
I seen on CNN someone as Trump a question about what happened. And he said he didn't know nothing about it. The president of the United States don't know nothing about it. #TrumpIsUnfitForOffice
Never knew (on the campaign trail about Project 2025)? Then hired some of its founders and is following the plan, almost exactly ... AND VERY RAPIDLY! Other than his tariff obsession, all policy by them... laid out in B & W!
You mean his slurred, zero affect, on camera statement blaming the reporter and the magazine? Totally idiotic…but not unexpected. The imbecile Trump NEVER takes responsibility for his own or his administration’s actions.
A kid in the air force is gonna spend over a decade in prison for putting files on a discord server - meanwhile an entire administration is using signal to avoid FOIA and accountability. How is that justice?
He's in charge of NORAD so when he's having domestic problems we can probably expect foreign troops with boots on the ground for the first time in history
As they do lie lie lie and point fingers at everyone else. trump and his band of fools should all be impeached before we all die from their incompetence. They all voted this drunk into the office they all need to lose their jobs.trump included. Never forget this incompetence will not be their last.
Most likely kicked out and arrested. So let’s do that right the fvk now!!!! To all of them, they have proven they are too stupid to be in charge of anydamnthing!!!! 🤬
Agreed, but remember he fired/dismissed/discharged all the JAG officers because they were "roadblocks"....so who's going to hold him actually accountable.....?....besides former military, security specialist and the public....
But they will face no consequences for this absolute failure. Republicans in congress couldn’t care less. How much more government business is conducted over Signal?
Adam. Its not that Trump reflexively attacked the reporter but ya, he did. The reason is because Trump had no idea what happened. He seems to never know anything. The reason Miller and Hegseth were using Signal is because they are ducking the law!!! Presidential Records Act!?!?
Here’s the prob w/our politicians. This Mo F’er begged to be confirmed. He met with Senators who actually said no to his face b/c he is a drunk, womanizer and an abuser of women. But, he cried trying to change their minds promising he’d quit drinking. Who is making sure this MOFO isn’t drinking?
Lol no. Or at least I never had to submit a BAC for mine... If that alcoholism produced legal issues that's different. If alcoholism disqualifies our military... we're stuck with an army of chaplains and maybe 3 of their assistants... 🤣🤷♂️
Call ur Sen. Dems need to file perjury chrgs against yesterday’s panel. They LIED under oath & those on the panel who were confirmed to the Cabinet position also LIED during those hearings. Russia lov’n Gabbard, Flying High Patel & Pathetic Radcliffe! We The People are in peril of losing everything.
If you’re a @GOP who can’t stand up for Hegseth in his time of utter failure and humiliation, Musk will destroy your career no matter how much money it takes.
Imagine if it happened under a Democratic president what would be going on right now so much hand ringing, and now it’s more like nail filing, looking the other way.
He needs to be in prison. Remember the young airman who sent info to stop something she had seen was about to happen, because the military wouldn't listen to her? Reality Winner spoke up and went straight to prison for 5 yrs.! They should all be in prison first and tried later, like she was!
What happened was a complete breach of security. Can you imagine if that occurred during the Biden‘s administration. The
GOP people would be screaming. double standard, double standard, double standard. The media is afraid of trump.
My dad was US Army 63-67, CID last year, and he's livid - to the point that I had to calm him down to make sure his call to our congressman was legal. When he found out Eli Crane was Navy, dad was set off all over again. He's writing a letter. 😁
He knows. But he also had Harris signs in his yard and has made everyone in the house memorize legal qualifications for stand your ground. We have WAY too many queer & mixed race family members for him to be anything but livid despite age. Two of his great aunts had to get married in NM pre-Loving.
Good on your pops! All service ppl should be hopping mad, but I wish your dad & all the others had safer, smarter leadership filled w/compassion & concern. They deserve the best.
Thank you. I was lucky to have the best examples of gun owners who are anti-ammosexual, and dad took his oath deadly seriously despite not being thrilled w the military action at the time of his enlistment.
A role model like him, who sticks to his vows, usually has well-balanced kids. We need more like y'all, but it stinks he was sent to fight for a questionable battle. Good on you both ✌️
Well, as Dad's rough draft says, "I did not pull charred pilots from helicopters because I do not love my country. I retained TS clearance from 1965 - 2006 because I exhibited more integrity working for a utility than the SoD. Soldiers must respect the chain of command..."
💜💜💜 I will. My coming out story is BORING. He was nonplussed in 1985 & my place was the hangout house for gay kids. Even called one friend's parents who "disowned" him and gave them the shaming of their lives.
My dad was in the Navy and served for over 25 years. I’m grateful he’s not here to see what’s going on. He was sunk at Pearl Harbor and didn’t suffer fools lightly. Eli Crane took a “donation” from Musk. It was a bribe! I can just see Daddy dictating (and me typing furiously) a letter to Crane!
Good on your dad, he even gets a pass for the Navy 😉 My gt uncle was at Pearl, highest ranking Japanese officer in the Navy. It was awkward. He was a dentist who reconstructed jaws on a hospital ship.
TY for follow. I want my next career to be paralegal, any tips?
I took a course in legal research at Seattle University, but anywhere would work. Then, become best friends with any law librarian. Be very nice to them because their assistance is invaluable. It worked for me. Good luck!
Screen captured this list with the aim of sending copies to the only MAGAt I currently care about but then decided against it. Their cult took my son. All I can do is try to love and forgive him and hope he returns to his senses. Like any addiction -- shame won't fix it.
That's a tough one, and you're right, confrontation will have the opposite effect. Send the list to a Republican Senator in your state. Maybe ask yr son what he likes about MAGA and then when he's finished tell him how GOP policies are affecting your life/friends and ultimately him and his friends.
That is exactly the plot.He and the other dictators want to divide the world. Each getting a slice. The oligarchs win and we little people become their sick, weak, uneducated servants.Take away healthcare, education. Force women to have lots of future laborers/kids.Tell them it is gods plan.
Same. My question was do these idiots not know what JWICS is? Like jfc, this was unfathomably stupid. If anyone in the military did this shit they would have been court martial and served several life sentences.
This is what you get when you but unqualified sycophants in charge. Did these clowns really believe that encrusted means highly secure. This national security breach will go down in history as Signalgate!
they may be unqualified to run the country, but don't mistake them for being stupid as some people do. They are cunning con men and women, the capable of deep manipulation, with the biggest money in the world behind them.
I’ve been thinking the same thing because I know what secure comms we have. Why haven’t we started procedures to prosecute/indite/impeach these people?
Yoooo so true that I was like dam, UCMJ, dishonorable discharge and jail.. but them I took a step back and compared to Elon and Xi business relationship, trump and classified documents in a public bathroom, Vance and his 👻trip to Russia.. this is nothing!!
Every day I feel that 1,000’s of our active military decide that they will not obey the illegal orders that will one day come from the likes of ignorant criminals such as Hegseth or Trump.
I’ll take it as a silver lining to all of their daily mistakes, lies, and immoral behavior.
I would argue this public blunder was intentional. It has psychological effects on the American and people in the military. They want us like Russia. They want the people to be disillusioned.
Here is the rub... Who is going to investigate this Bongino? I won't hold my breath. In a country where things matter, Hegseth would/should be made to step down. He lied straight to the Americans people, saying it never happened. The fact is that in America currently, norms no longer matter.
Just lucky it was an editor of The Atlantic who received the text - and not some douche from Fox News - or we would never have even heard of this fiasco!
Makes me wonder. Mr. Goldberg said the number of recipients on the message chain was so large there was an "Others" category. Who is all on that "others" list?
Quite so. Horrifying that this set of self-indulgent, no-nothing, entitled old white men were sitting around chatting about dropping bombs on women and children in Yemen.
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Incompetence, top to fucking bottom.
Then I wake up from my nap groggy as fuck.
But I get that same feeling when I wake and my first thought is, what fresh hell are they going to serve us today.
We are still trapped in Rafah, the sound of gunfire is terrifying, we are under heavy fire, we are expanding, we are in hell
1. Contact your reps and make sure you encourage them to vote to remove and arrest Hegseth.
https://5calls.org/issue/pete-hegseth-resignation-signal-national-security/
2. Stay focused. They're still coming for our Social Security.
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how many things are they doing that are also mistakes, illegal or worse that we're not hearing about? lots.
It's going to take us getting in the streets en mass. And if that doesn't work, well taking down a wannabe king seems like a great way to embrace the 250th anniversary of the nation.
Enough for removing ALL Traitors, co conspirators & enablers!
Thank you!
Remember that time, fElon tweeted out to everyone to use SIGNAL... on 1/7
CLASSIC
The same applies to Signal. So what is the point of approving in this case?
That's what I thought
Does Vance qualify as mini commander in chief?
I would of lost my job for mishandling cui, let alone confidential or above info.
It’s a true embarrassment that they will do everything in their power to sweep it under the rug.
Don't you mean kicked out AND arrested ? 🤨
Whatever Putin or MBS or Elon or Donny want done, to whoever they want it done to, and no accountability.
It's by design.
Then have new elections this year.
Trump Administration...a requirement for hire is never follow the law.
It’s a shame no one warned us that it was coming.
We are still trapped in Rafah, the sound of gunfire is terrifying, we are under heavy fire, we are expanding, we are in hell
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/shows/reidout/blog/rcna179836#anchor-JackTeixeirasentenced
They’d charge them with espionage.
Their house would be searched. Every phone in their house, every electronic device of them and their kids and their spouse
Wonder what happened to them?
Trump loved saying it on his entertainment show.
No one in America seems to understand just how important these two Congressional races actually are.
We have ONE WEEK left to save this country.
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This is law breaking. They were trying to burn the paper trail.
This is what they voted for.
Criminal behavior.
This government is shit.
Trump and Pentagon officials deny Elon Musk...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/elon-musk-visit-pentagon-discuss-china-rcna197435
https://bsky.app/profile/6tuated.bsky.social/post/3ll65jzz4wc2d
He drinks the Vodka drink
He drinks the lager drink
He drinks the cider drink
He send the signal text
Cuz only fox “stars” break the code.
GOP people would be screaming. double standard, double standard, double standard. The media is afraid of trump.
They all know this shouldn't be happening, and yet they are all doing it.
https://www.wired.com/story/jared-...
I'm for it.
TY for follow. I want my next career to be paralegal, any tips?
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Damn. I am sick of big shots getting away with things that would get an "ordinary" person locked up.
Not sure what's going. Need to catch on News.
But it seems Trump is doing EVERYTHING he can to weaken our country, it's defenses, it's economy, & those of democracies the world over.
Could this be just part of plot? 🙆
Gonna be a Lot of These Forms passed around, too.
https://www.byrdcenter.org/uploads/6/7/8/7/67873389/inadvertent-disclosure-statement.pdf
We are still trapped in Rafah, the sound of gunfire is terrifying, we are under heavy fire, we are expanding, we are in hell
I’ll take it as a silver lining to all of their daily mistakes, lies, and immoral behavior.
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Same here
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