Please don't lump in liberals with leftists. Leftists are anti-capitalist. Leftists are anti-imperialist. Liberals were fine with genocide and think the stock market can tell you about the economic conditions of the working class.
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Leftists want to turn society into a slave plantation. Consensus over the disposition of property and labor is impossible so the only way "communal" property works is if a dictator is selected to decide for everyone.
Fettering capitalism does nothing. We’ve fettered it before but the people in power can loose the fetters as they please. The ownership class is the ownership class, irrespective of liberalism or conservatism.
Did Clinton fetter it? Did Obama? Did Biden? I mean, you say there’s a plan. . .
This is America where we often take a word and apply it to something that it doesn't mean, and that new definition becomes the norm. Especially in our politics.
The left has been at best, a Stockholm Syndrome hostage of Liberals.
Canadians and Americans share a lot of the same culture. Not too difficult to understand...one would think. The frustrating part is knowing i'm of average intelligence and seeing what those who are supposed to be smarter cant
I've never bothered to learn the meanings of these words because everyone uses them differently. They seem like unhelpful labels. We can always get more specific about what we believe, any individual only truly represents themselves.
Thats how i go about things. I talk about what i support, not what my political leanings are. Im not simply one way. For example, when it comes to our national resources, Im a nationalist. No foreign ownership or investment of our natural resources. They want it, they can buy it from us
Interesting. I am not a nationalist, I think nations and money will not be as important in the future. We'll be more focused on the most efficient way to use our resources together for the betterment of everybody and the planet.
I feel like I say this same thing everyday. Trump yelling communist and leftist and socialist over everything has convinced liberals they are the left, its fucking gross.
Also what good are your self proclaimed principles now? We got someone that no one wanted and this is just an attempt to absolve yourself on what is about to come.
So excited for another post where someone stereotypes whole political groups on social media w/o data or actual proof.Harris lost b/c she tried to run a presidential campaign in less than 3 months.No one ever thought that the stock market was proof of economic success.we weren’t fine with genocide
She lost because not enough people voted for her, not enough people voted for because she offered nothing. That's how politics works you see? The politicians offer the voters something then the voters decide what they'd like the most. Otherwise they stay home and apathy wins.
What did he offer exactly, nothing?I know how politics work too.Sometimes it’s the lesser of 2 evils.(Not that she was lesser or evil).It’s also not grand political comments on social media or attempts to blame others 3 months later. Posts like these are just like MAGA w/o the merch.
No, the lesser of two evils means evil still prevails and the electorate has had enough. Either offer voters a reason to lend their vote or don't expect to win. Angry trumpsters were offered revenge and they voted for it. Dems? They got offered nothing and stayed home.
Or, or stop labeling people with made descriptions in attempt to group them into tightly confined beliefs.
The entire reason anything “left” of center right struggle is our beliefs vary from issue to issue. We are not a Cohesive group because things aren’t black & white to people who think like us
It literally is true. The polls have fucking confirmed that most people who didn't vote for Harris after they voted for Biden refused to vote blue again because of the genocide.
Education had nothing to do with it; Harris offered fucking nothing. She had no policy and no campaign.
9 million people stayed home, 29% of those surveyed that they did so precisely because harris signalled that she didn't want or think she needed their votes.
"grow up" - yeah, that's what hrc sneered at progressives who asked to stop arming israel. great way to curry votes, right?
is this why pelosi has multiple times stumped for anti choice obligarchical centrists over progressives in primaries in safe blue districts, and bleated repeatedly how much she loves having a strong republican party?
This doesn’t accurately describe millions of people over 50 who may identify as “liberals” because they came of age politically decades ago. They know the catastrophe we’re living through. Try not to disparage your actual political and moral allies.
Liberals are not our allies and never have been. We don't want the same thing and liberals betray us at the first opportunity, then blame us whenever they fail.
I am also proudly one of those leftists. It's a choice to have principles and to stand up for our fellow human beings on this burning planet. Sadly, the liberals preferred to remain on the capitalist gravy train for their own personal gain instead of dismantling the military industrial complex.
It's always informative to confront a liberal about ethics. Having lived lives based on triangulation and etiquette, they're without centers and yet end up feeling vaguely oppressed.
Pelosi came out and said Democrats are CAPITALISTS. War criminal Dick Cheney endorsed Harris. Harris briefly acknowledged what is Israel was doing was genocide before returning to Biden's policy of arming and funding a genocide you say you want to stop.
Capitalism is the best economic system we have. Literally every country with a high standard of living has a capitalist economy. Aint nobody immigrating to venezuela bro
Take the sanctions off Venezuela. Stop attempting to overthrow governments. The reason there are so many people coming to the US is because it's better to be the boot than the neck it's on.
“Ignorance isn’t something of which you should be proud” might be a better way of expressing it. Learning some basic political terminologies is imperative.
I find this entire line of reasoning reductive and pointless. The question is "why are they liberals?". This rhetoric will result in the kind of situation where the KPD fought the SPD and let Nazis win.
Your left isn't my left, and you better hope we don't have to agree in order to fight together.
Liberalism and leftism are both just labels it doesnt really matter much fighting over labels like right wingers dont care about leftists are tottally different from liberals.
Practically its a matter of what you do with it. Coalition building where you can is reciprocally necessary for change.
Part of the uphill battle we face here is that 'liberal' - in the minds of many - is synonymous with 'tolerant' and 'open minded'. To push this argument forward we need a new word for these things, I hate saying "I'm socially liberal but political liberalism is a cancer"
Liberals are fine with genocide? No.
LIberals think the stock market can tell you about the economic conditions of the working class? No.
Stop peddling BS.
A handful of lefties and I raised the minimum wage in a city with no outside help. What have you ever done in your miserable life other than vote for the least worse option every four years?
Ouch. From the time I was old enough to vote, I always chose the lesser of two evils. Never involved in direct action and never imagined an alternative to the status quo. I see that I share some of the blame for arriving where we are. Well no more. Working class and marginalized ppl need me.
A cohesive misunderstanding of the liberal mindset, their leading gerontocratic politicians believe all of this. However, go outside and speak to a liberal, eight times out of ten they’ll probably say biden didn’t do enough on gaza, and the polls were getting about harris’s performance prove this.
I think President Biden inherited a quagmire that he tried to make better, and got crucified for it. He does feel very strongly about Israeli safety bc of the Holocaust. And now Trump is going to be president. It seems like performative outrage won over actually trying to solve problems
OK go ahead and talk about all the things you hate. I wanted the housing plan bc I'm sick of ridiculous rent and want to buy a house but fuck that I guess. Y'all got what you wanted
Yeah, they’ll say it NOW. Libs love vocally (and purely symbolically) supporting every liberation struggle throughout history except for those being fought in the present. In real time struggle, libs are never in solidarity, always in opposition. MLK named it. Gaza witnessed it.
Yes, congratulations you’ve identified problems with liberals, however, as can be seen with their activism against trump in 2016, they can be radicialized into action, and we on the left must be their stewards. Infiltrate liberal spaces, move them to the action they’re too proceduralist to do alone.
I think that stating that liberals are never in solidarity is intensely stupid, as this is the kind of thinking that causes crucial coalition building that the left, as a minority movement must engage in. Libs will stand for things when we move them to, that’s the point of coalition.
I don’t know if I’d call “pink pussy hats” at NGO organized fundraising marches “radical action.” The best part of 2017-2020 was the relief of a significant & exhausting obstacle: liberals fighting leftists. What’s needed now is stronger, smarter and more dangerous working solidarity on the left.
You are insane if you think that worker solidarity is possible without a coalition with liberals to protect the labor rights that we covet. In just the 4 disastrous years ahead of us, the NLRB is likely going to destroy a massive number of up and coming unions.
You can continue giving your energy to people who think “winning” is ensuring the genocides we fund are signed off by a democrat. But there is no example of success in the direction you are pointing. Libs are happy (and useless) when oppressive power comes in their favorite flavor. Good luck.
Leftists are 100% ideas and 0% action. Leftists have zero understanding of anything in the world that isn’t purely Black and White. You cry when you don’t get everything you want and think making no progress and being “right” is what life is about. The horseshoe theory is real.
"you cry when you don't get everything you want" like it's ice cream flavors instead of genocide, FUCK YOU.
Looking down at people for "making no progress" would be a better dig if you guys didn't run a campaign on making *backwards* progress to kowtow to Republicans, and STILL LOSE THE ELECTION.
Oh no, another cartoon character says fuck me lol. You absolutely are like children and ice cream flavors. Primary voters preferred pretty much anyone but Bernie for several reasons and you call it a conspiracy.
Just gonna completely gloss over the "genocide" part of that sentence then. Lol name a more iconic duo than Democrats and ignoring the issues, no wonder half the country was convinced the VP controls egg prices.
Support viable candidates, stop pretending republicans and independents don’t exist, curb ridiculous behavior online, but most importantly stop blaming people with similar views as your enemy. AOC can’t run or win in every district.
Run candidates in local elections. Vote in primaries. Spend time listening to people who aren't convinced instead of insulting them. Have empathy for people instead of getting hyped up on self-righteousness and pushing them away.
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They're not the same, and an objective look at policy and platform of the Canadian federal Liberals demonstrates this on a factual basis
They're the same. You've fallen for the grift.
Europe's not heaven, but at least we've got more options:
right: conservatives / liberals / demo-christians
left: commies / socialists / social dems
And you guys wonder why no one will play with you.
Had she won the country and laws could have moved in a better direction, but, you guys don't want that, so, oh well.
Yeah, that's not going to work and we won't be part of it.
That's on you. Not us.
We don’t want to burn anything — you lot have already torched the fucking place.
Liberals have a plan to address it.
Leftists don't.
It's as simple as that.
Did Clinton fetter it? Did Obama? Did Biden? I mean, you say there’s a plan. . .
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The left has been at best, a Stockholm Syndrome hostage of Liberals.
We are nowhere near the same.
A nation of Jackovasaurs
And its infecting Canada
Thank you. You have no idea how relieving that is to have someone outside the country. Understand something about ours.
We put so much b******* out there. It's so hard for people to see what's true.
The entire reason anything “left” of center right struggle is our beliefs vary from issue to issue. We are not a Cohesive group because things aren’t black & white to people who think like us
Exhibit A: DJT got elected again.
Get over yourself.
Liberals failed to defeat Trump twice now.
Hillary elevated Trump in 2016 in her failed piped piper strategy.
Biden refused to drop out til the last minute and Dems put forth Harris with no primary.
She campaigned w/ Liz Cheney.
Biden has been arguably a very good POTUS, but he has missed a lot of opportunity too.
If he could end Citizens United, imprison DJT et all as an official act, that would be great.
The ACLU just found out Biden was expanding migrant detention camps in 8 states.
Democrats feigned outrage about Trump's mass deportation plans while they were actively expanding detention centers.
They are collaborating with Trump
But instead she wanted to court Moderate Republicans by parading around with the Cheneys and didn't get a single vote for her trouble.
Biden should have stepped down sooner, but he is a fighter, he thought he was the best option. His age caught up to him fast.
A more educated populace wouldn’t have voted for DJT.
Education had nothing to do with it; Harris offered fucking nothing. She had no policy and no campaign.
Kamala is bRaT.
People put coconuts and palm trees in their bio without demanding an end to the slaughter.
You make demands before you vote for someone. They don't need anything from you once they are in power.
"grow up" - yeah, that's what hrc sneered at progressives who asked to stop arming israel. great way to curry votes, right?
Fuck liberals.
Which one?
Try "flex slang".
that is someone without the morality or biases that come from being either a leftist or a liberal.
Yes, I do think we should burn things down and start over.
Your left isn't my left, and you better hope we don't have to agree in order to fight together.
Practically its a matter of what you do with it. Coalition building where you can is reciprocally necessary for change.
LIberals think the stock market can tell you about the economic conditions of the working class? No.
Stop peddling BS.
Looking down at people for "making no progress" would be a better dig if you guys didn't run a campaign on making *backwards* progress to kowtow to Republicans, and STILL LOSE THE ELECTION.
The minute they lose they visibly become exactly what they accuse the Republicans of.
Liberalism made them homeless.
“Leftists are feeding people suffering under liberalism”
“R u stoopid”
All I did was say something that was true about liberalism.