And as pointed out in other replies, there are alternatives to 2 other than corepack: bsky.app/profile/baxu... It seems the second model just lacks promotion, and people are coupling 1 with 2 as if not supporting 2 is against 1. - ThreadSky

joyeecheung.bsky.social • 63 days ago

And as pointed out in other replies, there are alternatives to 2 other than corepack: https://bsky.app/profile/baxuz.bsky.social/post/3lkrakxzzbk2k

It seems the second model just lacks promotion, and people are coupling 1 with 2 as if not supporting 2 is against 1.

Reposted from Ivan Čurić

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synecdokey.bsky.social•63 days ago

The second model doesn’t work across all platforms though, windows support is still important to some of us, and neither officially support pnpm.

joyeecheung.bsky.social•63 days ago

Is it that the model doesn't work, or just that existing tools don't work? At least I am not seeing why it would not worked for Windows (or for example mise seems to work with both Windows and pnpm, though I have not used it before)

synecdokey.bsky.social•62 days ago

I am not seeing pnpm on mise: https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/backends/

The asdf plugin is not maintained by the project itself, and explicitly does not support windows: https://github.com/jonathanmorley/asdf-pnpm

joyeecheung.bsky.social•62 days ago

That seems more like a current lack of support from these specific tools, instead of this model being impossible to work by design?

synecdokey.bsky.social•62 days ago

Here’s the thing, there was an existing one that worked for many people, asking these people to go for a nonexistent alternative is… Not exactly nice.

joyeecheung.bsky.social•62 days ago

I think that can be said about many things that got removed in Node.js.… something doesn’t take much work to maintain and just works, normally there would not be enough support to remove it due to design issues even if it’s problematic. What really motivates the removal would be support issues.

silvenon.com•62 days ago

I don’t understand, how is it not possible to install corepack on Windows?

It you aren’t able to use node version managers not supported on Windows, that was the case either way, so doesn’t npm i -g corepack still work on Windows?

huguesverlin.fr•62 days ago

mise can install `pnpm` (using the aqua backend by default)

https://mise.jdx.dev/registry.html?filter=pnpm#tools

`mise use pnpm`

jdx.dev•61 days ago

Mise does officially support pnpm on windows

mael.dev•63 days ago

I'm afraid you're missing the point. Corepack, as a Node.js project, was both a nice UX, and a way to build a bridge between Node.js and communities that felt second-class citizen. Making *this* project succeed was part of the goal, at least for me.

mael.dev•63 days ago

Instead what was shown is pretty much the opposite, up to the point where the TSC allowed borderline harassement strategies to happen without any public repercussions. It's really a shame.

joyeecheung.bsky.social•63 days ago

I think we have two arguments in play:

1. corepack maintainers, and some corepack users, advocate that keeping corepack bundled provides a better UX
2. some corepack users advocate that not keeping corepack bundled provides a better UX

joyeecheung.bsky.social•63 days ago

This plus:

3. Some Node.js maintainers feel that bundling corepack leads to more churn that the project doesn't have the bandwith to afford

Ultimately, the TSC decided that 2+3 > 1 (maybe there are other factors that I am missing, but that's my personal observation)

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