If nothing can be done in America to stop the US government from destroying America's leadership in science and technology then the EU and UK need to be pragmatic about seizing European strategic opportunities that emerge through American decline.
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Canada be making it’s own vaccines.😎 The orange turd has made my country stronger. Our government removed the barriers between inter-provincial trade. My gas was cheaper this morning. #truenorthstrongandfree
Hopefully, democratic nations are creating welcoming spaces for US scientists. On a related note, I wish I'd gone into science. Any room in a democracy for a writer and crocheter?
I really hope so... my new plan now is to finish my degree here and then relocate to the EU if I can find a suitable company and member state for relocation.
Unfortunately there is ni such thing as "American science" or "European science". There is just "Science", and the USA funded a lot of scientific research. It is a loss for the whole scientific community.
You're exuding a particular US-centric complacency about Europe and other global competitors that explains a lot about why the US has ended up in its current predicament
I'm French and Finnish. I know our strengths and weaknesses. The USA was a scientific powerhouse that attracted top-knotch scientists from all over the world for a reason and for excellent choices they made to invest heavily in research. It is an incomparable loss to Science.
“Was” is the key word. It’s a terrible loss for science. Maybe we are at a point where the rest of the world needs to build scientific strengths. I wish that weren’t so, but here we are. Wishing doesn’t change reality. Individuals affected can weigh their options and move where is best for them
Maybe American industry has jobs for thousands of unemployed PhDs… But if you know much about PhDs, you know their knowledge is highly specialized. Extremely specialized. Hope they find work somewhere and can carry on contributing to science
Generally speaking Canada is a closer match to their current lifestyles - language, culture, etc.
For many visiting friends, or friends visiting, would be within driving distance.
Some were born in Canada but went to the USA because of funding.
Scientists are highly specialized. Some may look for a cultural match…some may seek a match for their scientific expertise. And many scientists living in the US (unemployed or soon to be) are from all over the world lol
Yes a match for their field of study is important.
In many cases there is already an overlap with Canadian work/industries.
But the important thing is to get them to move somewhere where they can continue to work.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the EU and UK have been above the US when it comes to science and technology for years. Education in the US mainly focuses on being a good worker and not a great thinker. Literacy rates are far too low to be competitive on the world stage
Yes - and not just limited to a few million in education, but including the whole ecosystem from education, to funding and taxing and regulatory consistency.
#constantijnvanoranje #techleap.nl
We're already planning to take them in Canada.
Please don't refer to united statians as American, they don't like the rest of us Americans! They are only one country on America.
And we don't want to be them! We're not for sale!
Perhaps they might consider recruiting the scientists the FOTUS administration is hellbent (and hell bound) on discarding? I never thought I’d live to see the day when intellectuals would flee from this country instead of to.
They’ll be getting the $ trillions in patents that the universities, and grad students bring in from their research. Dim Donnie couldn’t be more short sighted if he tried.
A lot of that will run through access to early stage capital, PE/VC funding and business-focused IP advice. European countries need to facilitate this much more effectively than they have.
Indeed just look at companies like Huggingface. The founders are French but based in America.
Europe has the intellectual heft but the market and capital are in the USA! That needs to be fixed before the EU/UK can play a technology leadership role!
That sounds good, but the question remains: with what money? The income of researchers in European countries is already miserably low compared to the USA. Even in profitable fields such as pharmaceuticals, new materials, and similar areas.
Oh something will be done. We just have to persevere until the mid-term election next year. Hopefully the Dems pull it together and recapture Congress.
If the Dems lose any seats in midterms I will absolutely think it was rigged!
Dems should be able to crush them and slow (stop) anything Trump wants.
We need to be like McConnell was and be a brick wall to EVERYTHING!
If I was a foreign student in the U.S., I would get out ASAP. Go to the EU or UK they will at least be happy to have you in the universities. The U.S. no longer deserves your smarts.
they are, every scientist I know; about a dozen, in two fields,cancer research in kids and folks who work for the government in nuclear non proliferation have been getting job offers in Europe since late January. My wife is transferring to Dublin Ireland in the fall, our whole family is off.
Also, American students who want to study math and science at a university level are now facing a lack of job insecurity of they pursue this pathway... recruiting college students to study abroad and then work in the EU would also be amazing!
As does Australia, New Zealand & Japan too (I doubt that there are sufficient vacancies in Europe alone for all the scientists that may be without jobs as a result of Trump). Agree that EU & UK should make it as easy as possible for these people to relocate.
They are, the UK PM traveled to Brussels to sign an agreement of joint corporation in research. So while TACO Trump takes America back to 1950, EU & UK will forget ahead along with India, Japan Taiwan Taiwan Taiwan and
I agree. It's becoming obvious that the United States and its leaders have no intention of fighting back against Trump. They're just going to watch the building crash down. Pathetic. Spine less. Lacking moral integrity. Week. Cowardly. Liars.
European here. We're on it, believe me. We're already pulling ahead in key educational areas and most EU countries actually believe in the value of an educated population, rather than keeping them stupid (like the Gilead extremists want).
Remember how America grew after the Second World War when Jewish scientists and intellectuals fled Germany for USA. The difference now is the USA is destroying its own scientific and technological leadership.
Sir, the US is still doing science, just a little differently. Science is now based on strongly held opinions and information from the internet rather than research and peer review.
Easy way to start, engage the students we are now denying visas and collect all the ones we deport. While the orange Shitstain will only be here less than 4 years take the time to let your people see how nice home is compared to the USA. Getting the Shitstain out doesn't mean the asshole is going
Canada gets a piece too! Oh and Mexico gets closer to becoming a real power as well. Even Greenland now has friends willing to DIE for her … new friends.
So pbbbbfttttt…
Sorry🇨🇦
True. ERC has been asking grantees to host more UKR researchers during the last 3 years, they may well start to encourage recruitments and long term vis its from them US in the near future ...
I know few retired people who would find those R&D opportunities amazing for the whole society. I don't think those retirees belong to Blue Labour's focus groups, though.
To seize opportunities you need to invest, and with the self-imposed restrictions on spending and attracting foreign talent/workforce, that level of investment doesn't seem forthcoming.
More Ready Fire Aim.
Republicans are either just stupid or have no skill in assessing the results of their actions. Either way, they should not be in charge of anything!
We The People....voters are the key...the 23% of "Americans" who did not vote- WHO DID NOT VOTE-YOU are the F'N problem,YOU allowed the slimeball Trump to win,by NOT voting; how many of you are crying and complaining now over the vile crap Trump is doing to us,that you brought to us,by your nothing
agree, and yet in the UK we’re making it harder for uk universities to attract foreign students . Sure we need a quality bar - but above that we should absolutely be pursuing those students, professors etc who are looking for somewhere better to live.
"They" is two dozen uni systems each with their own dynamics and various combinations of public-private partnership in areas like pharma. A lot of scope that goes well beyond UK and NL.
It's been hard to watch our higher ed systems be underfunded and dismantled over the last thirty years because they "don't provide value" only to see governments dither about how to attract talent now that the US is committing proverbial seppuku
I've had to hear stories about researchers living on literal starvation wages, and having to beg for money for research
The answer, which no one here is saying, is "pay them". Thats what the Americans used to do, and it's what I'm not seeing Canadian institutions and their provincial governments do
I don't get the impression that many of the 32 governments of EU+EEA+UK are pushing substantial new money into 3rd level education. But what I actually *know* could be written on the back of a beermat. 🤷🏻♂️😀
It depends entirely on sector, EU MS and research field. Some sectors are struggling, others related to rearmament, geopolitical strategy and pharma are doing OK. In many ways Euro higher ed might be heading back to Cold War era paradigms
I can't speak to funding, but German universities have cracked down extremely hard on anyone rude enough to notice what Israel is up to in Gaza, so not a welcoming environment. Denmark & Italy are anti-foreigners in word and deed.
I think Canada should grab them. Same with the meteorologist they fired from NOAA. Canada should grab them and create the national weather service for North America.
Michigan voted for Trump,so...
I love my American friends and family,but it will never be worth prison. I was prescribed Cannabis to get off all the opiates they had prescribed me for years. After 2016, I never trusted going across. Also, I don't want to help fund our wanna be occupiers.
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If you could rescue our most highly
educated internally displaced
citizens, that would be great.
Cheers🍷🍷
~from moderately and
highly educated US citizens
who haven’t been displaced yet
I hope our scientists are able to secure safety and continue their work in other parts of the world.
For many visiting friends, or friends visiting, would be within driving distance.
Some were born in Canada but went to the USA because of funding.
In many cases there is already an overlap with Canadian work/industries.
But the important thing is to get them to move somewhere where they can continue to work.
#constantijnvanoranje #techleap.nl
Seriously, don't forget about the block button, and that your mental health matters.
https://youtu.be/kRh1zXFKC_o?si=XQKwwoPXCzvqWjF6
Please don't refer to united statians as American, they don't like the rest of us Americans! They are only one country on America.
And we don't want to be them! We're not for sale!
USAians.
I am not even sure if that is the most common alternative. lol
& we can stop it - find a conductor who knows how to orchestrate the power we can extract from states in alliance with Congress and our allies.
we need to change the game, the fucking board upon which it is played & finally, the rules.
But Democrats could fix everything relatively easily.
Need to control Congress with a majority, which is just math...
There's MORE Republicans.
Republicans are stuck with their party agenda.
They're allowed to be Democrats though.
Party before 🇺🇸 not OK
This is not the time for Democrats to hold hostages to try to profit in 400 days in a sketchy hype election
NO BUSINESS AS USUAL
MAJORITY 2025
Europe has the intellectual heft but the market and capital are in the USA! That needs to be fixed before the EU/UK can play a technology leadership role!
https://catholicgentleman.com/2018/07/how-irish-monks-saved-the-world-from-the-dark-side/
Dems should be able to crush them and slow (stop) anything Trump wants.
We need to be like McConnell was and be a brick wall to EVERYTHING!
We’ll take them.
90 years ago Nazi Germany kicked off a brain drain where scientists left for America. We were a backwater in science then.
we will be again when Christian MAGA drive out the scientists and destroy the funding.
economic dominance will leave with them.
America is going down faster than the Titanic....
...and the Satanic dirtbag RepubliKKKans are ALL cheering on the iceburg to hit us again....and again....and again.
Bizarre
So pbbbbfttttt…
Sorry🇨🇦
Not ideology
We used to be a beacon of groundbreaking science, now we’re a third rate cess pool.
Republicans are either just stupid or have no skill in assessing the results of their actions. Either way, they should not be in charge of anything!
No one wants to foot the bill
It's been hard to watch our higher ed systems be underfunded and dismantled over the last thirty years because they "don't provide value" only to see governments dither about how to attract talent now that the US is committing proverbial seppuku
The answer, which no one here is saying, is "pay them". Thats what the Americans used to do, and it's what I'm not seeing Canadian institutions and their provincial governments do
I don't get the impression that many of the 32 governments of EU+EEA+UK are pushing substantial new money into 3rd level education. But what I actually *know* could be written on the back of a beermat. 🤷🏻♂️😀
I can't speak to funding, but German universities have cracked down extremely hard on anyone rude enough to notice what Israel is up to in Gaza, so not a welcoming environment. Denmark & Italy are anti-foreigners in word and deed.
So the number dwindles.
Generally speaking Canada is a closer match to their current lifestyles - language, culture, etc.
I love my American friends and family,but it will never be worth prison. I was prescribed Cannabis to get off all the opiates they had prescribed me for years. After 2016, I never trusted going across. Also, I don't want to help fund our wanna be occupiers.