No, the only think that changes political reality, in the short term, is making the case for Europe and winning the argument in the public square It is utterly self-defeating (not to mention false) that the argument cannot be made owing to outside factors It never stopped the Brexiters, after all - ThreadSky

nialloconghaile.bsky.social • 15 days ago

No, the only think that changes political reality, in the short term, is making the case for Europe and winning the argument in the public square

It is utterly self-defeating (not to mention false) that the argument cannot be made owing to outside factors

It never stopped the Brexiters, after all

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alexander1911.bsky.social•15 days ago

I agree making the case for Europe is the obvious thing to do, but the idea the UK is in any position for A49 now I’m afraid is just not realistic. The fact is governments are rarely elected on single issues and voters in the UK are simply not on board with the acquis.

nialloconghaile.bsky.social•15 days ago

*You* are bringing up an application as the alternative to sitting on their hands. If you don't feel like addressing what I've said, don't.

There is no process of incrementalism. It doesn't exist. Is is disingenuous to say it's either that or apply for membership.

alexander1911.bsky.social•15 days ago

I’m open to hearing a different path forward. But if incrementalism doesn’t exist and applying to rejoin isn’t realistic, what exactly is the strategy? I’m not seeing what’s expected of pro EU brits from your perspective other than talking about the net positives of the EU and advocating for EU?

brainburnnow.bsky.social•15 days ago

Getting into shape to actually apply will take time and work, yes, but it really won't start until someone steps up and makes joining the official policy.

Only then will serious work on meeting the requirements start in earnest, or even be possible. Same with the necessary dialogue.

nialloconghaile.bsky.social•15 days ago

And that won't start until NGOs make the case directly.

firetower.bsky.social•15 days ago

Voters don't even know what it is. They have been introduced to a few misrepresented snippets of EU law by the most hostile elements of the press, along with a greater amount of outright fiction, but not to its purpose and actual content.

alexander1911.bsky.social•15 days ago

This very fact would denote that it’s takes time. No government is going to apply for A49 on the idea you may as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb having campaigned that they wouldn’t even consider single market or customs union.

alexander1911.bsky.social•15 days ago

Demanding they do until 2029 is just counter productive. The only option in this parliament is to build trust, enact the agreed terms of current agreements and look for further areas of expansion and hopefully UK reform like PR.

alexander1911.bsky.social•15 days ago

Yes advocate for EU and acquis in the mean time but demanding A49 or bust today is just not being serious.

andrewhesselden.bsky.social•14 days ago

It’s certainly very unserious.

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