I want an Acolyte S2, S3 and movie as Leslye Headland intended it to be. Why are Disney so reluctant to trust in vision and for art to flourish, and instead cave into the people who literally wish the death of Star Wars? I just don't get it.
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I understand your frustration, but it's unfair to assume Disney doesn't trust artists. Perhaps the changes were made to appeal to a broader audience, ensuring the success of the franchise.
If Clone Wars was judged as harshly for its lackluster movie and first season, we wouldn't have gotten one of the best pieces of SW media ever. It's a shame Acolyte didn't get that benefit.
Characterizing it as "cave into the people who literally wish the death of Star Wars" is wild. My Star Wars fans recognized it for what it was -- bad storytelling and an uninteresting series.
Seconding this. It just wasn’t that good. There was promise in the story but they told it wrong with flat characters. I can say this and still love SW and want it to flourish, but the Acolyte needed a lot more work.
Remember when they put a loveable plus size Asian woman in TLJ and the clowns in the fandom called her slurs and said she killed Star Wars and Disney were like sorry guys we’ll reduce her to an extra in the next one thanks for your feedback ✌🏻
It failed the "My Dad Test" if a guy not invested in this stuff like my Dad watched it and thought it was mid, Lucasfilm isn't tossing another billion at a producer who can't get the average non-Star Wars fan invested. That's why Lucasfilm scrapped it.
The Clone Wars would probably consistently fail the My Dad Test unless you somehow convinced him to stick around, and that show ended up becoming of the best in the franchise. This doesn't really mean anything. Honestly, making media with this as the main priority seems lame as hell.
Except the Clone Wars was made for kids and to appeal to kids, the mature themes were made a little more heavy-handed as it gained increasing popularity thanks to Cartoon Network. This plus the fact that they dropped a new season trailer at an A's game it passed the My Dad Test with flying colors.
So it didn't pass the my dad test at first, because it was made for kids, then it passed it later? That's entirely my point. The reasoning is irrelevant. The "my dad test" cannot and should not be considered a good way to judge the quality or potential of any piece of media.
I get casting a wide net, but the obsession with appealing to literally everyone? Look at 90% of their live-action stuff. Acolyte was 1 of their most unique projects in yrs, flaws & all, but it didn’t make $$ IMMEDIATELY due to baffling decisions like the budget. So it’s dead. Idk just sucks to me.
The only people who are going to be into esoteric Jedi stuff are Die-hard Star Wars fans, considering how well Rogue One did at the box office, and the follow-up series secured a 2nd Season because it appealed to the mainstream decently. Acolyte failed at that, hence the axing. I.e. the My Dad Test
No, it passed the test because it went from Movie to show, it continued to pass the test because it mainstreamed so well as proven by its final season trailer being dropped at an A's Game of all places. So no my test works you just used the worst example to try refute it. lol
There are 36 people who liked the post, and 14 reshares that's nothing. Also, the fact that the series got scrapped due to its views not meeting the threshold needed for renewal means more men per capita did not enjoy the series. Your methodology sucks, and that is why this series is getting canned.
Actually, views are a good metric, and the Acolyte couldn't get everyday non-Star Wars fans invested, so why on earth would you renew a series regular people just didn't vibe with? Also, trying to compare an experimental SW show to the election shows a disconnect between regular people.
Since when has Star wars ever been a franchise for regular people? That's been Disney's problem from the jump. You can't make a star wars that caters to the lowest common denominator and expect it to stick.
Acolyte ended well, doing some interesting things and a sighting of Plagueis!... But overall despite good casting and a good story... The execution wasn't great and that has to fall on Headland. Maybe a crossover follow up could work but they may want to distance themselves from the series
I want a season 2 and 3, even if it comes with a far smaller budget. Let Leslye Headland cook. These were some of the freshest ideas in star wars since Filoni introduced the force gods.
Ignore negative comments from people who manage to confidently spout bullshit like it's incontrovertible truth.
The Acolyte was a genuinely interesting exploration of an aspect of the world of star wars. It wasn't perfect, but it extended themes from the prequels & explored a unique sith journey.
“Wasn’t perfect” is so far from the the reality of the show. The concept was super interesting and I loved seeing some old republic stuff we’ve never seen outside of video games, but it landed so flat. Glad people liked it, but it didn’t come close to justifying its astronomical budget, needed to go
That one lightsaber battle was worth the price of admission, and I’m fine with Disney flushing millions down the drain, but let’s not pretend in any world did it deserve a second season.
the acolyte was the best piece of star wars media to come out in the last decade besides Andor. it’s insecure pathetic losers who hate it and their opinions are literally worthless garbage
It's about money and the target audience tuning out. The most expensive show per minute ever made by Disney. 2nd largest fall in minutes viewed between Ep 1 and 3 and the largest drop off for a season final of any Disney show. The trolls didn't matter. People not finishing it doomed the show.
Me too... I just cannot fathom why people think it was so awful. I thought it was excellent, and I have perfectly functional critical faculties and would recognise if something were genuinely bad...
I’ll give you a reason. The Acolyte lost money. As much as I loved the series, Disney is a company and companies exist to make money. That’s all that matters.
That does not mean the show made money. If Disney is like any company I’ve ever worked for, the ROI is measured on a product to product basis. If a product/service loses the company money, it gets discontinued. As is what happened with the Acolyte.
I admire your enthusiasm about this. I loved the show and would love to see it get renewed, but I would be shocked if they brought it back. The Acolyte had an astronomical cost, barely cracked the top 10, and that’s not even to mention the reviews. We liked the show, but are not in the majority.
You’re welcome. From what I just Googled, Andor was still cheaper per episode and had higher viewership. And while I hope they bring it back, I personally felt Acolyte suffered the same agonizing pacing as Obi Wan, another “this should have been a movie.” But that’s just my view. 🤷
I din't like Acolyte. I wanted to, but I didn't find it engaging, some parts. Ashoka was better. Star Wars will never die. Disney is indoctrinating a new generation of fans. Andor/ Mandolorian appealed to adults; Acolyte - adolescents (Osha), Skeleton - kids (Stranger Things in Space).
The ratings. Bottom line. If it were doing well, they would have kept it despite the (imo overblown) controversy. Each episode did worse over time. It's not hard to see it was a numbers game.
Basically, the toxic fans feel like any Star Wars not aimed specifically at them is inherently bad, so they all become hypercritical of any flaw they can find, then crusade about how bad it was.
If it’s not made for them, they want to kill it, even if that harms the franchise as a whole.
And here I am, muting yet another Sea Lion who is super-nitpicky about every single Star Wars or Marvel project which isn’t centered around white men, but it’s just a coincidence.
Self-reflection is not a desired trait amongst those who reflexively hate everything they decide is “woke”.
For me, the episodes were hit or miss. But that's just me. I would have liked to seen another season after the way the final episode ended with the tease of Darth Plagueis, but as a whole, the show wasn't my cup of tea.
I think it had a weak start. They made a force sensitive coven boring, and it felt too much like a procedural with action movie sprinkled in. But the finale made me wish i could see what else they had in mind if they got their grove on.
Because not many people watched it. Disney poured a ton of money into it and didn't get much of a return, they're a business that views Star Wars as a piggy bank so if something isn't making money they pull the plug. I'm not sure what's not to get here.
This isn’t apples to apples, but I remember ST:TNG, DS9 & VOY all getting off to a rough season 1 start. But, they were given room to figure it out. Acolyte wasn’t nearly as rough as TNG season 1 was, not even close! It sucks that “fans” robbed us of a great story.
Yeah I think if TNG came out today, it wouldn't have gotten a second season. Picard was kind of a jerk, there was *way* too much Wesley Crusher, there were a couple episodes that were *very* dated even by 1980s standards (Code of Honor), and worst of all, Riker had no beard. Just awful.
I’m just not sure if it’s simply corporate profits, or social media pressure that won’t allow a new series to find its footing. The cast is getting used to each other, story is developing, etc. I guess it could be that the demand for instant gratification has worked its way into everything.
They used to make TV shows that ran all year too that cost 1/4 to make. We live in a strange world where a film like Solo can earn almost 1.5x what it cost to shoot. And it's still a flop. I'm sure these shows could be made for less. I saw what fans could do with pennies long before Disney bought it
I just saw a post on Facebook by one of those people who was saying that as I've been saying about them that Han Luke and Leia are the characters in Star Wars they made it come Alive now it was George Lucas who made it come Alive he guided those actors
See it's them people who cannot move on
i think it's unfair to assume disney doesn't trust the creator's vision. leslye headland's vision for the acolyte is likely different from the actual show, and disney has a responsibility to ensure the product meets their standards.
It’s expensive due to the added cost of laundering 10s of millions of dollars. Near 200 million for 8 episode shows that look like they cost $50 million to make
Why are we still defending that show 💀 it absolutely sucked. I was very excited for it and was a huge disappointment. Same with BoBF and Obi Wan and to some extent Ahsoka.
I’m going to be honest. The way DLF handled the fall-out to #TheAcolyte has really affected my interest in modern #StarWars. I won’t even bother with #SkeletonCrew now until the series is complete.
Acolyte S1 should have been one episode each of us following a different character. S2 should’ve been the plot we saw. Disney needs to let their creatives create, and let shows find their footing and their fandoms.
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And I agree as evidenced by the re-election of Trump that many US men are wildly misogynistic and racist right now, which is sad.
Here are two I took of this one tweet, I stopped taking progress screens but it accumulated many more likes throughout the day.
I'm not going to argue with you about the other stuff.
The Acolyte was a genuinely interesting exploration of an aspect of the world of star wars. It wasn't perfect, but it extended themes from the prequels & explored a unique sith journey.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/08/27/new-details-emerge-about-why-the-acolyte-was-cancelled/
On cost, Andor cost more
On viewership, it came back up for the finale, not to premiere levels but it did re-enter the top 10, and gains new passionate fans everyday
If they want to tell us how many subscribers were gained/lost during the broadcast then we can pinpoint it more accurately
However I assume the show contributed positively, as it was still their featured show in November
If it’s not made for them, they want to kill it, even if that harms the franchise as a whole.
I say "wasn't very good" because as in the majority of people who watched it didn't think it was good. Not that it's objectively bad.
If disgruntled fans were that powerful Star Wars would be very different right now.
I still stand by my point.
I always thought Star Wars was for everyone. I remember Star Wars is for everyone trending on X a year ago.
I guess my question would be who was The Acolyte made for?
Self-reflection is not a desired trait amongst those who reflexively hate everything they decide is “woke”.
Did you reply to the wrong person by mistake?
It was getting good, but it lost steam before it could get good.
I really like The High Republic books I've read, and want them fleshed out
Imagine a world where we never got Revenge of the Sith just because people didn’t like Jar Jar or young Anakin..
Horrifying.
See it's them people who cannot move on
And I was actually looking forward to it before it was released but it was just bad
He was dope AF.
paying $20,000,000
an episode are you?