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Scottish Currency Group & Bylines Scotland writer
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If Aai is going to do anything, then.its definitely going to be better at market intelligence, price setting and budget control over some rich little MBA with an identikit haircut and pair of chinos from Yale.
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Who knew eh?
Independence supporters don’t go out and vote when independence isn’t on offer.
Who advises these folk?
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What was the turnout figure?
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I agree with that Andrew.
The SNP ministers who conflate Indy with EU membership are the issue. If iScotland, has an informed debate, and we vote to join, I will accept that. We then have to work with like-minded EU members to change things from within, a very difficult task.
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It’s about sovereignty. There are very few voices speaking out to question:
1) what benefits there are from not joining the EU?
2) why people think joining as Scotland will be similar to the plum deal UK had before Brexit?
3) Ireland may look good on paper, but it’s based on accounting not reality
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Apologies, I replied to the individual post, not the original.
The final sentence of your response, in my opinion, should read, "why would a future Scotland, building an economy for the Scottish people, ever join the EU?"
I realise I am in a small minority and blame that on media conditioning.
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Andrew you must be aware of the deficit cap and debt/GDP limitations on Eurozone government spending. These would seriously curtail a fledgling Scotland from building the infrastructure required for a meaningful well-being economy after independence. ScotGov will need to spend heavily initially
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There you go.
That’s why Scotland needs independence.
UK politicians are just wilfully blind to alternative economic views.
You have no route to well-being for people.
You have been conditioned by careful grooming by lobbyists to see progress as market led, and ignoring your duty to the population
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We must be outside the UK and EU to ensure we don’t get snared in the market traps that most countries have got themselves into. One of Scotlands main international functions should be to help developing countries extricate themselves from financial colonialism and other fake treaties.
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The money supply will be managed through taxation and will be flexible. No one will even notice it. The only tax will be on the property a person resides in. No more wasted time on accounts for business or individuals.
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No Alex,
You are now giving us your plan.
I have no interest in bothering with markets. If people want to trade with Scotland (and they will) the trade will happen. It’s a mutually beneficial deal, trading, you know.
I don’t give a fig about GDP or GVA.
Only about the living standards of Scots.
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It’s hypothetical. I am the new Gov here.
We know what economy Scotland starts with.
A blank slate,
Plenty of water, food and energy sovereignty
Excellent university sector and well educated pop.
Loads of unused land to invest into to build future productivity.
Very few constraints
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I'll let you come back on the economy before I move on.
What is Starmer going to do to beat that?
Only a consumption-driven automaton would choose the UK model over that vision of indy Scotland.
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Generally, by encouraging a functional local economic base people will see any effort they put into work has a positive outcome for the local community including their family. Instead of a chore funding a conditioned consumer lifestyle, everyone will contribute to lifting living standards in reality
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In addition to a national grid system, we should have local energy networks, providing a district heating option to all householders. This will take some of the strain off of the national grid and allow it to be targeted more at the industrial infrastructure required to build our future and advance
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Therefore, the Scottish government should be protecting farmland now and instead of rewilding, should be bringing more productive agricultural land into the protected areas.
Housing as well should be ramped up. The Highland communities cleared 200 years ago can be repatriated and connected.
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I would then instruct the finance department to ignore all financial metrics and simply adhere to functional outcomes for the population.
Scotland is going to require to absorb twice the size of its population at least within a century, as England starts to go underwater.
That should be planned for
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Start with the economy then:
I would improve things immediately by announcing that government finance ministers will make decisions, and be responsible for those decisions. They can employ a staff of civil servants in each department, their sole advisors.
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Just to be clear, these are the areas that Starmer is failing in atm, in your opinion?
You’re asking how these can be improved in Indy Scotland?
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What "things" have you in mind?
Why is Starmer's Labour government failing to improve them now?
Isn't that enough to start your considerations of what would need to be implemented by an indy Scottish Gov? Let's be honest, it is most likely to embrace trad Labour values.
So, where? Full employment?
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Alex, whenever anyone gives you the semblance of a plan you claim it is "Utopian".
What are your red lines?
How bad does life in the UK have to get for our young people before you will start to consider independence as an option?
The establishment are obviously not gunning for change at the UK level
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Why do we need politicians? AI can surely talk as much crap, repeat lobbied opinions from influential controllers of other AI, and generally keep the population brain dead and supine.
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It was the EU which I claimed was “relatively parochial “. Too little, not “too much”
Global cooperation is a weapon against the global corporates.
It takes an understanding of the power of fiat currency to make that cooperation effective
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HaHa, I just mean we should take the abstract nature of our borders into account. Humanity's advancement should be a global project. Business seems to do just fine on a global scale, but heaven forbid we recognise the global power of ordinary people stubbornly defending their living standards
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It is you who is relatively parochial. Humans are a cognitive avant-garde of the project we call life. The planet is an interconnected complex relationship. We all play a part. No matter what country. Genius is gifted randomly. Financial games are juvenile. Every discovery should be open sourced
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This can help offset the effects of the fiscal constraints. However, not every national. Can be an exporter. Fir every net seller nation there has to be a net buying nation. This is where the hardship arises for Greece etc. High deficits are required for decent living standards when a net importer
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That is a political choice by the UK government. Many UK citizens, outside of the SE have a poorer standard of living than they might have with different policy.
That is a major factor in the strength of support for Scottish independence
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I assume Netherlands has a positive trade balance?
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Don’t EU treaties encourage countries to give up their sovereign currency? Isn’t there a 3% deficit cap? Isn’t there a 60% debt/GDP limit?
These policies are the reason there is high youth unemployment, homelessness and an inability to deal adequate with migrants etc.
Am I mistaken in this?
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"Work" for who though?
These "treaties" reduce national sovereignty by allowing global corporates legal teams to undermine government's ability to protect domestic resources from asset stripping and other forms of corporate capture. The media is complicit.
Losing currency-issuance was bad enough
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Wrong.
Money doesn’t grow on rich people.
We don’t harvest it for taxes or to fund public services.
I thought Zack had this.
This is so disappointing
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I hear that ScotGov have approved Flamingo Land despite the blanket objections. Politics is broken. We need to organise locally and build from the base level.
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And, no doubt, for the Spanish conglomerate’s shareholders