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The one thing the anti zionist left and zionists agree on is that Israel isn't a victim. Israel doesn't wan to be a victim.
Of course Iran seeks to victimize Israel. But instead Israel will rise and kill first.
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Definitely debatable since morality is always an opinion anyway.
But for me the world is better without Iran having nuclear weapons. I support Israel's preemptive action.
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I'm in favor of removing hamas from power in gaza. And that requires war.
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Perhaps war just doesn't exist in a rules based order.
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No, antizionism is antisemitism. If you want to scatter the Jewish people from where they live you don't like Jew.
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America will defend its strategic interests. And that means palestinians and Iran cannot destroy Israel, sorry.
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I do. I like visiting the birthplace of Jesus under Israeli rule, rather than palestinian.
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No regrets. A tiny fraction of the people palestinians have killed since 10-7. A very tiny fraction of the people Iran could kill with nukes. The war must continue until Iran 's program is disabled.
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I'm not a fan of Trump, but for god's sake drop the bunker buster on those iranian nukes for the safety of the planet.
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Israel's view is it doesn't really have any options. People want to kill them. Better a Nicaraguan style of living than allowing Israel to be destroyed.
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Do you mean when RFK was assassinated by a palestinian?
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Basically yeah. "Let's compare Israel to something everyone hates. Then we'll come up with a new definition of the word and have a bunch of originations add an air of intellectual authority to it."
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Yes, the palestinians need to accept that they have lost this conflict and will not be able to destroy Israel imo. You obviously disagree. But it seems immoral for them to continue to start wars they can't win. Just leads to more defeat, death and humiliation for the palestinians.
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Perhaps what most people would say is simply that they disagree, that it is easy to imagine many situations where an "occupied" people should not engage in terrorism and it's immoral to do so. On some level even occupied people must accept historical realities and move on.
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What's funny is that these types rarely spell out what they mean by apartheid because then they have to admit that allowing palestinians to roam tel aviv shopping malls and vote in elections would likely lead to a civil war and the end of Israel.
There is a reason things work the way they do.
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Seems unlikely
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It probably does piss some people off, but a lot of us disagree. Israel likely knew that the USA might not bail them out but felt they really had no better option here than to attack Iran.
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People die in war. But Iran's nuclear program must be stopped and Israel is happy to carry the burden to win this war.
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He believes that the D party needs to move to the center. His vision is worth looking at.
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Nah. It’s because Palestinian leadership doesn’t value Palestinian lives. And so there must be war with many Palestinian deaths. But if Iran or Palestinians want to destroy Israel they will have to destroy USA as well. Seems unlikely.
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The issue is that politicians speak euphemistically. If you believe Iran should not get nukes then Israel’s operation is pretty reasonable
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Israel is giving Iran the chance for a ceasefire. But they are happy to continue the war if that's what Iran wants. Iran can't have nukes, and Israel must use all available leverage to keep it from happening.
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I'm cool with Israel having nukes. They never refer to the USA as the great satan. Iran, problematic.
They need to put those proto nukes away. Or we might have to do some mean stuff to make it stop.
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Palestinians and the confederates both do seem to be into a lost cause mythology.
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hope all you want. But me I'm confident Israel and the USA will succeed instead.
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The foundation of peace should be the two sides stop shooting at each other and focus on commerce.
But I personally don't see massive land transfers as part of the solution, which seems to be central to the palestinian idea of their "state".
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I think the problem is there is just a lot of deception in the whole concept, at least at this point. It really seems as if the palestinians simply want more land to create a terror base, that is the goal of their "state" and why the negotiations are so murky and complicated.
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Yeah the region needs to be freed of organizations that try to destroy Israel. That is a long process. But in the meantime we need to end the Iranian nuclear program.
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So the idea is you don't just dismantle Israel because so many people hate it. Fight the good fight and make it clear that those who attack Israel pay a price.
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The issue is that many of us disagree with what the root of the violence is. The palestinians and the muslim world have seethed with hatred about the idea of Jews living in their historic homeland free of muslim oppression. The palestinian terrorism precedes WW2 and the holocaust, 1920.
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for me the bombs falling on Iran are more entertaining though.
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Yup. It could become a great wedge issue for the GOP as it was for the UK tories in the Corbyn years. Sucks but Dems will have to work around this.
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Yup. And it's a fraction of the people Iran could kill if they had nuclear weapons. Israel will continue this war until Iran behaves reasonably.
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awesome. He's on the right side of history here.
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10 million per day, or 30 cents per citizen. Doesn't seem like a lot of cash.
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disagree bro. Hamas shouldn't have attacked Israel. Gaza shouldn't have elected hamas. Hopefully they make better choices next time.
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Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt don’t have nukes.
Iran is trying to get nukes and only Iran is getting bombed. Seems a good coherent argument Iran shouldn’t try to get nukes.
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Yup.
Israel's operation is about preventing Iran from having nukes. Seems reasonable.
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But when he dropped them, briefly there was a lag in the surrender. And he actually had doubts about using more.
Humanitarian concerns are reasonable but so is trying to terrify your enemy into surrender. Sometimes there are no easy answers.
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Funny is a lot of this is not so cut and dry.
Truman was keen to drop the two atom bombs he knew he had a moral duty to go through with this because it seemed it would save American lives. And there's that line that he was told he'd be impeached if he didn't.
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But they will be punished for that, as is currently happening.
For me, Israel's response in Gaza is righteous and appropriate.
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If America has to we can use our strategic arsenal or even ground troops to make sure Iran's bunkers lack the needed factors to make delivering nuclear weapons possible. These things don't occur in isolation, they need human capital, food, ventilation electricity etc.
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yeah we disagree in the USA. Happy to see the palestinians and hamas (which is wildly popular in the gaza strip and the west bank) getting their ass handed to them with American weapons. Sucks to be them I guess. Hope they make better choices next time.
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Israel is removing hamas from power. Considering what happened on 10-7, in the USA we see that as pretty reasonable generally.
But this requires war and in war people die.
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Palestinians are losing another war they started. The genocide chanting is more cope
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But aside from the wild antisemitism of the Palestinian people, they are the ones who reject peaceful coexistence. And so Israel takes action.
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Words have meaning related to conventions. Antisemitism means anti Zionism and anti Jewish in the common usage
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No. Hiroshima looked worse. Violence that is necessary to achieve a reasonable war aim is not genocide