drewperkins.bsky.social
Director of ThoughtStretchers Education (https://wegrowteachers.com/), host of the ThoughtStretchers Podcast.
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I'm leery of taking this video at face-value though...what happened just prior? Our politicians seem to be intent on creating viral clips.
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Yep, I was having a back and forth about this yesterday. bsky.app/profile/drew...
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Tough, but important sledding.
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I just got an email from BA as well, I've been a part of their Braver Network.
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You do you. *shrug*
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I'm obviously interested in those things too but there's a difference between asking for those things to find where we agree and disagree, and asking for them for use in proving 'wrongness'. My perception is you're more interested in the latter. I'm specifically looking for generative dialogue.
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You seem to be more interested in nitpicking details and wording to make the case for why my thinking is on the wrong side. That might be something I'm interested in as a live conversation but not in this format.
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I've followed the rabbit with you before TBH find it to be unproductive. I'm interested in generative conversation, one that offers other thoughts, perhaps building off of mine or offering how one might see it differently.
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Actually, I'm pointing to a specific example there and I'm expressing an opinion that might push others to stretch their thinking.
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BS seems to me to be largely a tribal echo chamber and that's fine but it leaves me wondering why I'm spending any energy or time here.
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Here I'm referring the general position of trans activism and there are specific examples I could give but I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you. My original point is about the utility and viability of BS and the value it does or doesn't bring to me.
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Re: trans issues, a recognition of where activism may have overreached instead of a popular front mentality.
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I don't see much of that here re: politics/culture war issues. What I see is a chorus of anti-Trumpism, an expectation that others should agree, and little tolerance or interest in where they may be wrong or differing perspectives.
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What I'm pointing to is the general response on BS to not seem to be particularly interested in why one might be wrong or how someone might view it differently. The value of a social media platform, for me, is to play with ideas, hear differing viewpoints, understand the complexity.
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Little curiosity, mostly attacks and defense and an implied expectation that I should agree with them 100% and I'm a bad person if I don't. That's doesn't make for a very interesting social media platform as I see it.
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..b/c the outliers often hinder progress. Elsewhere I commented on a post about Trump's anti-DEI efforts and noted my opinion that some DEI has overreached (violated Enlightenment liberal principles) and I was quote tweeted for a slew of replies calling me a white supremacist Nazi, etc.
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...the left is crazy in the exact same way. That's silly. Of course it isn't equally symmetrical. But acting as if the left doesn't overreach and do crazy things while the right has lost their minds is unhelpful and tribal. If you're on a 'side' then IMO you should critique and criticize your side..
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Recently someone posted about how crazy the right is, referring to something MT Greene (I think) said and noted that if the left said something crazy like this, the right would go bananas. I noted that the left can be pretty crazy too and the pushback was immediate asking for proof of how...
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Not sure why you think it's vibes based and yes I can provide explicit examples. Like, trans activism is often in tension with women's rights and there are multiple explicit examples of that (Lia Thomas for one). IMO, you should be critiquing the ideas, actions, and people who carry them out.
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Lots of things. A few include: dialogue around the border and immigration, policing of language, trans issues vs. women's rights, DEI, race and racism, Enlightenment liberalism, denial of Biden's fitness to serve a second term and his choice to run again.
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I think this is true of the right, who are largely unwilling/unable to critique/criticize Trump.
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It may not be but it seems to me that the left can help defenestrate some of that grievance entrepreneurship by being willing to be forthright and honest about the issues and being willing to critique/criticize things that emanate from their ranks.
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Nothing inherently wrong with that but when the narrative is that we're being invaded, those kinds of visuals (Mexican flag and Hamas armband) are going to be perfect for Fox News to use to rile up their viewers.
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Sure, at least somewhat.
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You can find some in my timeline of posts here.
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Actually this extends to essentially any identity as long as they prove loyalty to the tribe. Trump and MAGA are explicitly post-liberal and their focus is on mutual loyalty, as Yoram Hazony writes, instead of mutual cooperation which is a hallmark of intellectual and civic liberalism.
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Those critiques have been met with aspersions of being a racist, white supremacist, etc. and the assumption that any critique of one tribe must mean tacit support of the other. I'm more interested in authority vs. liberty than left vs. right.
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You've hit the nail on the head. It's not about making arguments for or against Trump, that's a simple case and standard fare here. What is more interesting, to me at least, are discussions about the best ways forward and sometimes that might include critique of the left.