edk.bsky.social
Black Lives Matter! Math, software, science, politics, education, ζ₯ζ¬θͺγHe/They @[email protected]
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It appears to have been posted at 11:58AM UTC (4:58AM PDT where I am), and I think it was NZST (UTC+12), so I think it was still Thursday there for 2 more minutes -- unless you mean Chatham Islands or somewhere a little further east.
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Gmail ignores '.' entirely in the local part of the email address (at least anywhere between first and last character; I'd assume everywhere). I don't know about hyphens; currently it seems to reject them, but I'm no sure if that's always been true (and email handling is ... complicated).
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It's great to see him showing a spine here; I read the speech transcript, and it works for me. But as a CA (San Francisco) -- I'm still meh on him for national office, for a variety of reasons.
But yeah, great to see.
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I wish it'd work that easily. They'd still make a show as fascist porn.
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Yeah, I think ignoring her is more effective than responding. (At least if responding gets her more attention.)
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So I guess you're here to parrot Russian propaganda? You could have just cut to the chase.
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Your claim is false; you've made it up from whole cloth. The Democratic party is not right wing when compared with parties throughout the world. It's broadly center left.
See e.g. v-dem.net/documents/8/... or www.globalpartysurvey.org/initial-find... or www.nytimes.com/interactive/...
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Democrats are also responsible for their actions. IMO there was no guaranteed way to win in 2024, and I'd contextualize actions against what I think possible. But we should always try to learn from failure.
OTOH I suspect you and I wouldn't agree about what lessons there are to learn.
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I give grace to BW who I follow who are pissed off at "progressive" white voters for not supporting Harris.
"Deserve" isn't a word I'd use. But they also bear responsibility for what America is becoming.
Claiming purity here is psychological deflection to avoid facing their own guilt.
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Remember when you said there are political compasses? It sounds like the person who has no clue how to read them was staring at you in the mirror.
The Democratic party is center left.
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Well, if you take a left perspective in terms of values (as I intend to do) -- you can argue that others are owed your vote for harm reduction. (That seemed an obvious case to work for Harris's election, BTW.)
But this still starts with first deciding on values.
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"owed"? The only person who's owed your vote is you: you should vote for your values.
If you're progressive, you should take the action most likely to result in progressive results.
But you should also take responsibility for your own choices.
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It's easy to turn it around and ask how calling Democratic politicians right wingers (they're obviously not) has gone for you.
Those are the choices when voting. There's more to being politically active; but voting in a duopoly is binary.
Given false premises, I don't see a point in discussion.
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I didn't bother including that in the second post since it seemed obvious. π€·ββοΈ
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Ah -- no, I'm not agreeing -- I would never write:
"It is not progressive's "fault" for not voting for Kamala."
And yes, the plain language of this quote excuses progressives who didn't vote for Kamala Harris for ... reasons. π€·ββοΈ
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I'll stand by my argument because I see two options when voting for left policies:
- work to elect the left-most candidate who can win in the general -- and then do it again
- push for the leftist policies you believe in without compromise -- eventually they'll win
It seems clear which you take.
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They wouldn't admit it publicly if they did vote for the RW candidate. And really, from their perspective that's not necessary -- their preference is either Republican ("at least that's honest" -- not your words, but common enough) or strong-left.
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Accelerationists on the left usually work by trying to depress Democratic voter turnout. The only way this makes sense if if they expect the result from disastrous Republican policies will be a swing to the left as people come to their sense.
Nixon abolished wage & price controls after reelection.
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And here you claimed voters weren't responsible for their own votes -- it was the fault of politicians for not doing enough.
Nah to that. Voters are responsible for their own votes. You can blame politicians AS WELL -- but voters are always responsible for their actions.
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Harris was not to the right of Nixon.
The argument you make is that because the Democratic candidate isn't far enough to the left, you'll vote to allow Republican to win -- to try to force the Democratic party to the left. That's accelerationism. (It also doesn't work.)
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Accelerationists like yourself aren't actually progressives, you know.
And people who think voters are not responsible for their own votes? WTF, that's so far from any coherent theory of progressive politics I don't know where to start.
(The lies about policy are just the icing on top, IG.)
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Constructive criticism is a gift. This ain't it. π€·ββοΈ
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As I said, still on here working to make sure the GQP accumulates more power. π€·ββοΈ
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For anyone who has been in politics for 50 years, you can find things to attack and things to praise. Your choice of which to lead with is deliberate.
You could instead point out things he's done that folks on the left called for -- but I guess that would be beneath you.
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Except that it's clear you don't think persuasion is necessary -- just telling folks they're garbage if they don't agree with you should be enough, amiright?
The idea of convincing leftists to "vote for the lesser evil" has a similar sanctimonious air, and plenty folks will hear only the last word.
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Y'all really have no clue how persuasion works.
IMO one mistake Democratic leaders have made is listening to people like you and me who think that logic and policy debates are how you win elections.
But it'd be incredibly stupid for them to broadcast internal postmortems to their enemies. π€·ββοΈ
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Good to see you're still on here working to give more power to the GQP.
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Yes.
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Attacking Biden in ways which characterize him and other Democratic politicians as untrustworthy is doing the GQP's work for them.
So stop it. Ignore it if you prefer that over repudiating it; but boosting BS like this story encourages bottom-feeding "journalists" like this to produce more of it.
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Ethos relates to credibility and trustworthiness. If you expressed distaste for the democratic candidate while justifying the vote logically, you were destroying the argument needed to convince part of the electorate.
And Trump used pathos shamelessly -- as fascists do.
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In terms of persuasion, I keep coming back to the idea of logos, ethos, and pathos. Education-identified folks like me love logos (I voted with my demo for Warren in 2020 primaries); but most people are not convinced by logic alone.
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Actually, many people I saw argued that he should run again.
The people who didn't are generally like me -- college educated, and most interested in arguments based on logic.
Biden was a consensus candidate who pulled in a different part of the electorate. We gave them the finger by dropping him.
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No, you don't get it.
Look in a mirror.
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We have a fascist in place because enough Americans wanted a fascist.
Pinning the blame on Biden -- who governed well and to the left of every other president in my life -- abdicates responsibility.
Look in a mirror, and consider what you could've done differently. I do, and I canvased for Harris.
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Well, I do regret consuming media in a way that was part of the bullshit incentives that lead to the chickenshit reporting you're praising above.
Attacks on Democrats got eyeballs and attention. Attacks on Trump got shrugs.
The NYT and WaPo have continued to show their editorial biases, so...π€·ββοΈ
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Biden was a great POTUS.
The only thing I regret is that Democrats spent their time on self-sabotage rather than being focused on winning.
When I talked to other voters (GOTV, so mostly registered Democrats) and I did hear shit for the fact that we abandoned our candidate (from disengaged voters).
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The idea that it was unknown is complete BS from journalists who lack the courage to actually do what they say, and instead attack a party that cares about the freedom of the press.
FDR was always frail and was certainly declining in 1944; I assume you think re-electing him then was a disaster.
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Serious journalists would be addressing the actual elephant in the room: Trump is deteriorating and the Republicans are afraid to stand up to him. The problem is that these "serious" journalists are also afraid to stand up to him.
There was plenty that was written about Biden's age and condition.
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It would have placed the country in the hands of Kamala Harris, who was part of his ticket. She didn't win, but she did get nearly as many votes as Trump.
And if we Democrats hadn't telegraphed our fecklessness and weakness by abandoning our candidate, it's possible we'd have won.
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It sounds like Trump is giving you exactly what you wanted, then.
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No, it's a core problem.
Because Utilitarianism focuses on net benefits/net good, it can be gamed or manipulated in several ways to justify abuses that are indefensible (e.g. stripping rights from one group to benefit another, or wildly uneven distribution of benefits).
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No. Biden was an effective POTUS -- IMO the most effective in my lifetime. He used his strengths well, and leaned on his staff (as you would expect of the Executive!) to cover his weaknesses.
Biden is old. But this story is garbage by a reporter afraid to report on the actual elephant in the room.
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This general shape is one of the problems with Utilitarianism.
I saw that as a convincing philosophy when I was a teen. It still appeals to me broadly-- but when you try to apply it to making actual philosophical or moral decisions the impossibility of comparing costs and benefits becomes obvious.
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You realize that the candidates who are elected generally first win primaries -- so you know you're complaining about Democratic primary voters, right?
I mean -- yes, in aggregate we humans are stupid and voters often suck (witness Trump). But having no elections is worse, so... π€·ββοΈ
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Most Americans want Universal Health Care, but not necessarily Single Payer per se. (And M4A would be a disaster.)
Amusingly, the example used -- Japan -- isn't Single Payer. Japan offers a national plan, but it's a multi-payer model including employer-based insurance.
www.pnhp.org/single_payer...
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It sounds like you treat it as a spectator sport -- which is why you don't think it matters that you spread propaganda to support Trump. But political campaigns include trying to convince other voters.
I've only been deeply involved when there were policies I wanted to change. (2004, 2020, 2024)
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Genocide is bad. (And what Israel is doing is horrific, especially with Trump in office.)
And you bear responsibility for pretending that the two parties were the same in regards to it.
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I get that changing the topic would help you avoid guilt, but I'm not interested in opening a new discussion given your dissembling.
You also bear responsibility for the fact that Trump won, because you've been running propaganda to support him -- apparently because you don't think he's worse.