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Quite ... it's deeply disturbing viewing into the mindset of people such as MAGA worshippers & their enablers ... www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...
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Yep at Kings College London with the statue of John Keats.
Couldn't get him to look into the camera.
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Disturbing that across the board, the precautionary principle and its corollary, prevention better than cure have been abrogated, instead opting for Sir Richard Wharton's F&CO 4 stage strategy of "too late now" 🙄🙅♂️🤦♂️
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Under relentless fire, Ukraine is passing reform after reform.
This is why the Commission defends the opening of the first cluster of negotiation.
Ukraine has delivered – now we must too.
Because the accession process is based on merit.
And Ukraine merits moving forward.
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protection to the dyad.
ACP representative straight up calls out the presentation as being unscientific and based on opinion, ignoring critical literature.
Association of immunization managers is asking how this will affect pandemic preparedness.
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ACOG representative notes that there are data showing clearly that prenatal exposure is not associated with a risk of autism, and harms associated with infant illness in early life with respect to psychological harms (in response to Hibbeln's concerns), and vaccination during pregnancy provides...
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NACCHO representative notes that we have 25 years of study specifically examining outcomes of children receiving thimerosal containing vaccines which strongly indicate that there is no association between thimerosal and adverse outcomes.
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and that could affect vaccine accessibility).
NAPNAP representative asks that the CDC's pre-buttal document originally posted could be reposted. The answer apparently is "no." Such radical transparency.
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Hoeg reports that between 4 and 5% of the 2024-2025 flu vaccines were multidose and contained thimerosal and we would not be limited in supply of flu vaccine if we eliminated them (partially correct in that the effect on supply is not substantial but some clinics really rely on multidose vials...
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Then claims the fear of mercury is a factor in vaccine uptake.
That was part of the thinking of regulators in 2001. Except in removing it, they legitimized sentiments that it was harmful, because why remove something unless it was causing problems?
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Levi says that the evidence is clear that you have harm. I am not sure he understands what the term "evidence" means.
Hibbeln correctly notes that even with cumulative exposures we don't see evidence of harm and the precautionary principle is not a mandate for the committee.
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Vicky Pebsworth invokes the precautionary principle (the FDA already did this in 2001. Do these people know what year this is?).
Levi says it is hard to measure harm because of "cumulative exposures."
Where is the loss of purported neurotoxicity since we removed it from routine childhood vaccines?
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Meissner responds that there are indeed other preservatives that can be used such as 2-phenoxyethanol in the polio vaccine (true- the thimerosal-containing one had reduced immunogenicity), but making the industry jump through hoops for something lacking evidence of harm does not make sense.
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Redwood says there are other preservatives that can be used in place of thimerosal, such as 2-phenoxyethanol, but this is not as effective as thimerosal:
www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jhs/...
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to be maintained in the brain than methylmercury (the kind from seafood). This is not true- studies comparing them find 3-fold lower mercury levels from thimerosal in the brain than from methylmercury:
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC...
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Redwood chimes in to talk about the biodistribution of thimerosal, noting that clearance from the brain has the potential to accumulate.
Except this is not associated with neurotoxic effects, so this point is meaningless. Redwood also incorrectly states that ethylmercury has greater potential...
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the world (hopefully not the current form) and removing thimerosal will reduce access globally if the US legitimizes these canards (the latter part is from me). FDA made the recommendations in the past on the basis of the precautionary principle to minimize mercury exposure, not evidence of harm.
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potential to accumulate and where seafood exposure can become an issue. Thimerosal is present in many vaccines used globally because single-dose vials are more expensive and a luxury that much of the world cannot afford. The recommendations of ACIP are used as a model for many countries around...
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I have really good news: there's this thing called quality control and lot release that already does that.
Meissner being a voice of sanity pointing out that this was already resolved decades ago and ethylmercury does not exhibit the same toxicity as methylmercury which has much greater...
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safety thresholds even if every single dose were from multidose vials.
Retsef Levi says we should not accept the tradeoff between preventing contamination of vaccines and exposure to mercury and says we have technologies to prevent them or detect contamination in real time to prevent exposure.
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Kulldorff also brings up mercury in cereal saying people won't buy it if they know it has mercury in it. I don't even know what point he's trying to make here.
Robert Malone brings up that seasonal influenza means multiple repeat exposures to thimerosal.
Yes. And it would still be far below...
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This question goes unanswered.
American Pharmacists Association asks where the evidence to recommendations framework is for this question given that this is to be a vote.
It does not exist. Kulldorff says that Lyn Redwood presented and she's very knowledgeable about vaccines...
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so we should trust her. Amazing. Truly the pinnacle of evidence-based medicine.
Kulldorff claims that people are dismissing Redwood's presentation because she doesn't have a doctorate. People are dismissing her presentation because it was literally entirely misleading. She's a former CHD president.
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Next comment is a pediatrician who recounts devastating effects of vaccine-preventable diseases, and the trauma to parents who lose children to them because they did not vaccinate. Notes the panel is untrustworthy as is the administration. Talk to your pediatricians.
Cosigned.
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Vaccinate your family rep is next- work closely with families who have lost loved ones to vaccine preventable diseases e.g., flu, meningococcal, pertussis, COVID, etc. Many stories of tragedy and there will be many more if access to vaccines is compromised. Vaccines must remain accessible.
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on higher risk adults from age 50 and benefit from the vaccine. Needs ACIP to vote on flu vaccines because otherwise insurers cannot cover them. Opposes any vote on thimerosal.
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Alliance for healthy aging representative urges ACIP to vote on COVID-19 vaccine recommendations as stated in the federal register notice (they won't). The pre-emptive removal by Kennedy of access to COVID-19 vaccines undermines ACIP. Asks to lower vaccine age threshold for RSV to 50 given data...
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Next is a representative from the coalition to stop flu who notes the seriousness of flu as a public health problem, and how many pediatric deaths there were and the very high proportion who were unvaccinated. Says coalition to stop flu will work with the committee to restore trust.
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Next is the CEO for the Alliance for Women's health who notes this is an unprecedented coordinated operation to undermine trust and there has never been an instance of professional medical societies so uniformly raising concerns about this committee and its practices. Co-signed.
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Next is a public health professional who raises concern about vaccine-preventable illnesses, particularly in LGBTQ+ community who are at higher risk for these diseases. Urges body to reinstate universal COVID vaccine recommendations.
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and so if these return, they will be unprepared to handle them. These diseases are returning. Urge the committee and those who shape its future to uphold the scientific integrity and expert-driven process of ACIP. Co-signed.
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Last comment is also a pediatric hospitalist speaking as a medical expert and concerned parent. Recounts the terror of doing a lumbar puncture and finding it filled with pus. Vaccines have greatly reduced vaccine-preventable diseases. Many younger providers have never even seen these diseases...
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Not just Americans.....children around the world
Cutting off support of the organization that has saved the lives of 17 million children around the world in the past 2 decades
Front page @nytimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2025/06/25/h...
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Given that these risks are so small relative to background and the generally benign nature of the vast majority of febrile seizures, it would not be a crazy unreasonable choice for parents to prefer MMRV over MMR+V to spare the kiddo the discomfort of a second poke.
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the factors that induce the fever that cause it, which fever-reducing meds do not necessarily address. In any case, it can definitely be terrifying for parents. Here is a guide on what to do with febrile seizures from NINDS: