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No it shouldn’t, yes all these things do matter I’m disputing none of this.
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But how about, say, limiting screen time?
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I think we’re talking about the first moment where you physically remove them from their sibling. “You shouldn’t starve and isolate your kid” seems more like standard nouveau parenting not a radical restructuring of the authority dynamics of parenting in the west.
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I’m not the one who brought up that example, but thanks lady
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I’d say it’s kinda subjective, but in all cases it’s obviously permissible.
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So like you tell me in those examples is the authority derived from expertise or the application of violence?
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Oh or checking your particularly mischevious kid’s pockets for matches
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We’re talking about kids, the examples posted elsewhere include pulling a kid out of traffic or isolating them from their sibling when they’re hitting them.
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That’s a good point
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I like that as a theory but I don’t really buy that it’s so simple, I think by trying to increase freedom you can fuck up and set things back in the long term, I think you could take measures that reduce short term freedoms to seek conditions that increase them later, etc, that’s all plausible to me
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Or at least like, within a comprehensible timeline, which doesn’t extend far past one’s own life at this rate of change I think
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I’m uh, not convinced that’s meaningfully possible is my problem. Like I think the maximally free world is a less important pursuit than like, the most meaningfully free world within my lifetime.
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It’s debate for the sake of debating a point. I’m not a self flagellant who loves getting called a white supremacist 30 times in an afternoon, I’m a guy who really gives a shit about trying to make his point, to a wildly unhealthy extent lol.
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People keep replying so, yea.
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Yeah I’m pretty in favor of anarchist philosophies in general, I agree that the logical path toward human flourishing is through the controlled demolition of heirarchies. Parenting is just one of those ones that really seems to drive at an instinctual human thing.
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That’s fair enough yeah
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Well no you actually just agreed with me in the other thread so, yeah I guess you’re in the doghouse here with me now.
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Lmao gottem but also youre now agreeing with me here.
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Lol they’ll tell you I’m not, but, i am in fact open to having my dumb ass shut up by a logically founded thesis here.
I’m just not seeing it, purportedly because my whiteness has simply blinded me but uh, idk, I guess that means I’m cursed to do this forever anyway so let’s keep going.
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I’m not at all disputing the fact that “babies are raised in the environment and treatment they are raised in” I’m saying, I think whiteness is a concept that requires some abstract thinking to like, understand and identify with in a way that’d allow for white fragility.
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Yeah that makes sense idk, I think the “no authority over children” thing is philosophy that kinda requires a level of abstraction. It doesn’t reach my top 1000 live issues I guess and that’s why I keep wanting to debate it despite it pretty much aligning with my views
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Yeah I argue with people on the arguing app. I’m a monster.
I am genuinely interested in all this shit and have had a couple pretty constructive conversations with people other than you though so again, the call is coming from inside the house.
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If you’re so worried about your attention put your fucking phone down, for the love of god.
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Lmao this app is an attention trap and it now has you stalking my replies. The call is coming from inside the house.
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The threat was certainly there and that was enough to shut me down when presented, but like, idk I think kids are smart enough to know that a rule with exceptions isn’t a rule.
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Like my folks only snatched my PS2 like 3 times in my life, for like a day. Does that mean they’re pretty much de facto doing the anarchist model?
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Okay okay okay so it’s about it being “predicated upon it”? Isn’t that like, super subjective and open to interpretation? I think a lot of parents now would say that their relationship with their kid isn’t “predicated on authority” despite the fact that they reserve the right in “isolated incidents”
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So, you’re saying, the abstract FACT of them being beneficiaries of white supremacy, instantly endows their tinly little infant mind with white fragility at the moment of birth?
What’s the literal process of that what are the stimuli that implant that belief in the infants brain?
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That was a question
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I am not advocating for the current model, I really can’t emphasize that enough.
“Separate the children” like by picking them up and moving them? That’s a direct physical application of authority no?
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This all makes sense in the abstract, in a hypothetical anarchist society.
But like, I was a latchkey kid, folks were constantly exhausted, they’d try to be “gentle” but I was pretty defiant. If there were a commune of people to handle shit all day maybe that’d have worked but there wasn’t.
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We would first need to rid the world of all the lighters I’ve ever accidentally left somewhere, and that’s impossible there’s too many.
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Like when you say “ideally kids would be taught not to play with matches and nobody would give them any in the first place”
It’s like, I don’t disagree but, that *as a foolproof system* so far from anything resembling the world we live in as to be kinda fantastical.
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Well yeah I mean, I am willing to say anything is possible and so sure given the *ideal* conditions, yeah kids shouldn’t have any authority over them, same with everyone else.
It’s just, idk I can’t see advocating zero authority over kids without conditions already in place to make that safe.
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Your pfp makes you look exactly like the person you are btw, be sure to never change
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Yeah you have just enough energy to be a condescending asshole to everyone you’ve ever talked to I get it
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The other issue I was going to bring up was children with like serious behavioral disorders but I guess you really could just treat them the same way we ought to be treating adults with those disorders.
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I guess the only thing I couldn’t do is just, bail. But again like, would that have been reasonable for them to just allow me to fuck off into the streets when I was 10?
Maybe in Anarchist utopia land but, that’d need to arrive first.
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Yeah I mean the threat of violence should be illegal, but the threat of loss of privileges granted by a parent for example, is that not authority?
I’d do just about anything to keep my parents from taking my PS2. It wasn’t mine, they paid for it using money they earned, that’s legitimate authority.
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Like this is semantics but when you talk about “training and guidance” of a pissed off 6 year old you’re talking about authority
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What it would in practice end up being is a communal family-like structure raising children pretty much the way they get raised in indigenous foraging societies.
So, everyone has authority over children and dudes like you refuse to acknowledge it as authority when you write about it lol.
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Kids can find matches, kids can make fire any of thousands of ways, so “randomly being given matches” isn’t really a fair framing here.
How about the actual culpability though?
If they’re adults, they need to be responsible for the damage and make reparations. You’d put that on a kid?
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I’m cool with a much more socialized thing, but, are we talking about a world where the kid who burns down a house ‘cause he was playing with matches, is *personally* held *fully* responsible for the damage and death that ensues?
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Like all this concept of “ownership”, it’s not a one-way thing. Under the arrangement we currently have, parents have authority over their kids in no small part because we want them to be responsible for the actions of their kids.
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You can say “look man just tell the kid not to play with matches”
But you don’t know my kid maybe he’s got some kind of fixation with fire.
Maybe YOU want to be able to take over that education, and not allow me to govern my kids ownership of matches.
But in that case you can’t sue me.
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That includes being able to check their pockets for matches and take them away.
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Because if so, I need to be able to keep my kid from playing with matches, by any means necessary.
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These are all very vague terms.
Here’s I think a way to codify this argument:
Should parents be responsible for the actions of their children?
If my kid is playing with matches and lights your house on fire, can you sue me?
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What’s up Erick, you gonna be a coward and not read the book?
It’s a landmark, historic amazing piece of literature Erick, you’re supposed to be way better than me on this stuff right? Read the fucking book Erick?
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And even that question will have a biased answer since different kids have different abilities and a naturally super well reasoning kid might develop a lower-authority situation around them orfanically