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she got digits for days
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wait you already saw and replied lmaooo
ah well, nevertheless
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house godogly has a recent new citizen who may be of interest
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unfortunately that's gonna get a "yeah probably" from me
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💭"maybe i can speak for tim after all"
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"whoops we broke novid. with the power of friendship"
they should make a tv show about it
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i can't speak for tim, but i consider you to be an appreciated moot
you have a strong moral compass, you're eloquent & intelligent speech, with worthy ideas, considerate & compassionate in disagreement, & a valued fellow citizen & member of our human family despite occasionally catastrophizing
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it is a very difficult moment
crashing out about it on microblogs is perhaps not ideal, but it isn't a great sin either; let she who has never done a bit of crashing out cast the first stone & so on & so forth
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Sadly, as is all too common with me, it's a typo
I meant to say "starcraft"
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You're already living in the singularity
Are they even real people? No one knows anymore
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My workplace is split by thirds into white, black & hispanic
If you took a picture of us it would look like a coloring book page from Highlights Magazine for Kids. That's how woke & diverse & all American we are
(They still do highlights magazine right? It's been ~a lifetime since I saw one lol)
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It's a truly glorious Wednesday too!
Because I have Thursday off for Juneteenth. And Friday off because I took a personal day
So really it's like if Bluesky Wednesday was on a Friday. A mega-Friday
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As long as you're not looking out the windshield, you're good to go
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Let's be honest, I just wanted to say "apophatic"
Bad ending: My desire to use fancy vocabulary words has somehow ended up trapping me at the intersection of seed oils discourse & third rail jokes. On bluesky! We're not even on twitter, yet here I am 😭
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"High smoke point on that pun"
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I'm imagining the horror of cracking noodles in half, & some of them shatter into tiny fragments at the point of the break
Can you bear to picture it?
A "noodle" less than a centimeter long?
Unslurppable 😖
No, no. I shan't imagine it any longer. I shall poke my pasta into the pot as God intended
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There's a very funny pun I could make about canceling someone for being a ""canola"" apologist
But I'm not gonna make it because that would be in poor taste
(Now, apophatically gesturing towards the forbidden pun for humorous effect, without directly invoking it? — that's in good taste. I hope)
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This is why I'm against this "agency" talk
Oh sure it sounds nice
But then it has you breaking your God damn noodles just so you don't have to prod them a bit
Sorry to all the haters & losers, but angel hair was meant to be long!
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"Do Not Glaze"
Hey honey! Check out this donut glaze I just found!
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"You could still be soberly boring on the extra long weekend"
Okay fair enough
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Grace Soberly Boring Kind (dot net)
Well, it may be appropriate for a Wednesday. But here's what they don't teach you at Harvard business school:
Juneteenth is tomorrow, & I took a personal day Friday — so really, this Wednesday is my Friday & the beginning of a very long weekend
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Personally I don't think it's likely
Imo, either we hit limits sooner than that (so the redundancies don't all go away), or much further along the line (& so face a very different set of risks)
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Much depends on how capable the machines become, but there's definitely a danger sweet spot where they can replace many functions humans do today, but become stuck there, removing redundancies without advancing or improving the state of the art, leaving us vulnerable to the described scenario
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Well, we'll have to see about that. Much the same criticism could be delivered against basically everyone doing art for money...
Even today though, there are folks who can do pretty good work with the slop generators. And I suspect powerful machines will be able to acquire taste, too?
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Well "AI guys" is a big tent, but yeah, a lot of the big business owners, aided & emcouraged by Altman et al, think this is what they can get from it & they might be right
This is a *very different* fear than what I'm criticizing — the opposite of the view that the machines are useless snake oil
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It isn't the anger at that stuff that I find troubling, though, it's the incurious denialism
If folks are mad that they're too capable, too disruptive, afraid the machines can't be stopped?
Well, yeah. I'm afraid of that too. Even the pope appears to be afraid of that, & rightly so!
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I wouldn't be surprised if it destroyed more than just social mobility
I don't think it's insane to hope that in the long run humanity is much better off, but then, I don't think it's insane to fear that humanity may not recognizably survive at all
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I think it's likely different people had different promises in mind, but even classic sci-fi tropes (promises? maybe...) like the holodeck entail machines that are capable of most creative labor
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Still, the promise I'm personally most familiar with was a promise of a superintelligent, limitlessly capable machine that can do everything humans do & much more. And we're not there yet & perhaps we will never be. Even so, "can do artwork & all the rest" is firmly on that pathway
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I think there are fair reasons for people to be upset, & "free us from art to make room for drudgery" captures some of those reasons well. And as a processional spreadsheet monkey, I might underestimate how much it stings for a creative career to come up against *this*
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I wonder though...
Is the effect exaggerated, or is there just more than one way to continue the Kevin Roose story? 🙂
(Okay fine, let's be soberly boring this Wednesday — the effect is probably exaggerated)
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Yeah and to be clear I've obviously had some of those same thoughts haha
They're... very maddeningly frustrating, & its always annoying to extend grace to people who would not do the same...
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I have the feeling that we should be unwilling to abandon our human family just because they're stupid emotionally compromised animals whose views are laughably wrong
Because I mean. I don't know about you lol. But. That's kinda all of us lmao
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It should also be mostly black & white for the most powerful possible effect
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I feel that just that title card is more persuasive to me about what is being lost & marginalized by the machines than any long rant about what they supposedly can't do would ever be
The paintings in the documentary were quite nice! I think anyone with a soul will feel sad about the painter, now...
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I think I do end up feeling pretty badly about the whole thing, in the right scenario
For instance, I watched this very well illustrated documentary on the rise of the inca
And the title card says "Written and Illustrated by Humans"; which I think is very melancholy
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It was maybe a *little* mean to backhand them like that at the end lol, plenty of creative sorts are fine folks regardless of the rest & many are very intelligent too...
You're right though: the central grievance is legit; but it is very annoying that they are so hostile to basic observable reality
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You wouldn't know her, she goes to another set
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And they are so offended to find the machines intruding on their "creative" domains because for many students in America, "creativity" is a refuge from objective evaluability, preferred by those whose "for whatever reason" would rather not be so evaluated
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Ah well, one understands: they are so vehement that the machines are bad & useless because, by & large, they fear that they are not
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Now I may have drunk a bit too much caffeine & be in A Bit of a Mood this morning, but good freaking golly miss Molly they drive me up the gosh darn wall. I don't want to feel schnaudenfreude at their downfall, they are after all my human family, but they make it hard not to want to see them humbled
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When they themselves I'm sure are entirely illiterate as concerns our canon & so comprehensivly bereft of any insight into the significance of words that a machine can eloquently speak their own language to their face & they mistake it for a parlor trick from a snake oil salesman
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It already makes me crazy how many people are utterly incurious about our world, but there's something especially galling about people parroting "read a book study the humanities you tech bros"
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And that's not even mentioning the fact that the humanities have approximately zero to do with "being a good person" (or whatever shibboleth we're using to signify, "has bluesky approved politics" these days). In fact, the correlation, though weak, is negative if anything
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Besides which, any yet another way, it seems to me that the folks most intimately involved in developing these things are often a cut above the FAANG code monkeys & are a good bit more educated & erudite than just about anyone I've ever seen complaining
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But by & large this seems entirely untrue of the folks I know who love LLM; & anyway obviously a speaking machine is of enormous interest to anyone concerned with philosophy or linguistics or "the sciences of human culture" broadly
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I suppose on some level I get it. One of my good friends plays statcraft with a handful of FAANG engineers, & I regret to report that they are indeed as dumb as the stereotypes; they seem to think it's pointless to read a book or study philosophy unless it will make them money
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I'm just gonna bang a different drum because the comments annoyed me:
Why do so many of these folks have such a chip on their shoulder about the status of "the humanities" wrt the speaking machines?
"Unlike those tech bros, people who appreciate the humanities..."
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I find I still don't know how we're doing despite reading Freddie's piece
He's right about one thing for sure though: the skeptic & the doomer are opposites & yet often conflated