irishgeek79.bsky.social
Activist. Data Nerd interested in: NLP | ML | AI. Disabled. Jewish. Queer AF. pronouns: they/them šā”ļøš³ļøāšš³ļøāā§ļø
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Now go be a racist, antisemitic wagon in someone elseās mentions. You werenāt invited into the conversation and neither of us wants to hear the bigoted hot air blowing from the cesspool you call a mouth, ye arse-ridden twat.
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And while you havenāt bombed them, you HAVE tried to starve them. And push them off land. Destroy their homes. Strip them of rights. Itās not whataboutism either. You came in saying Ireland shouldnāt be compared to Israel bc you werenāt oppressing anyone. I pointed out your wrongness.
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Apparently you failed the reading portion of your leaving cert. I did say ASIDE from the current conflict in Gazaāmeaning the way Israel has treated Palestinians in the run up to the current conflictāIrelands treatment of the Travelers is comparable.
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That matters little with the GOP in control of both chambers and unwilling to hold him accountable.
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Why are you jumping on someone who is allied with your position (based on your post history)?
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Ugh men ruin everything lol
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Iād be careful there. While you may not be engaged in something like the I/P conflict currently in Gaza, Irelandās treatment of the Travelers is pretty on par with Israelās treatment of Palestiniansāand in some cases, itās worse. People in glass houses and allā¦
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Iāve ALWAYS wanted to go to an onsen. Iām hoping my husband and I can take a trip to Japan in the next couple of years and when we do, that will be high on the list!
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Itās funny how 2 vastly different countries can also share so many similarities, esp when you consider they were both nations est in the 20th C. Both with a large diaspora they are attempting to draw back. Both kinda had to struggle against the UK (Israel less so but still).
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Huh this is interesting. It reminds me a lot of Ireland. Not so much the ābeing a suckerā aspect but the general cutting corners, shoddy workmanship, and basically doing things on your own time table. This ad kinda sums up the mindset perfectly: vimeo.com/111118627?sh...
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And now they will find out š
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Ugh I would find that SOOO annoying (the Israeli behavior). Ireland was like that. They would often leave bottles ON TOP OF trash cans. Like OTS RIGHT THERE!! Would drive me insane! My husband said I would love Japan. Ireland drove him nuts too (we lived there for 5 years).
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Iād definitely be up for that. My husband lived there for 7 years (obviously b4 we met) and has taught me a little about the culture but obviously my knowledge is VERY second hand.
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I can appreciate it as being uniquely Jewish š Like I said, itās what we do. Now we eat!! lol
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Itās not on the scale of Auschwitz. Not even close. Roughly 1.1M died in Auschwitz. The death toll in Gaza is around 54k. Thatās about 5% of the death toll at Auschwitz. While the actions in Gaza are tragic they are no way on par with the Shoah. Such a comparison is antisemitic af.
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Thatās largely a rhetorical question. I understand why you wouldnāt want to ape the logic and I agree with to a certain extent. But also history demonstrates that folks arenāt really great at giving ethnic minorities equality and self determination. So Iām not sure what the answer is.
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So is your argument then the total abolition of all ethnostates? Because I mean in theory that would be awesome! In practice, I worry if ethnic minorities would ever find true safety. Given our history, weāve always been shit on bc we wouldnāt assimilate. So can ethnic minorities ever be safe?
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Just to clarify, not to ape which logic?
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Um weāre Jews. This is what we do. In fact itās pretty much ALL we do. We argue. And we eat. Then we argue some more.
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Because those conversations are likely to cause more harm than good. Most folks arenāt willing to engage in the nuance necessary for it right now so itās just likely to fan the flames rather facilitate change. 5/5
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ā¦ And how it does or doesnāt contribute to issue X or how it compares on a global scale when thereās already a buttload of hate being aimed at Jews all over the world just bc we get associated w/ š®š± by default? Yeah Iām probably gonna pick and choose my battles on that right now. 4/5
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We also have to take care with how itās done to ensure we donāt accidentally contribute to a wider problem and harm others in the process. Calling out war crimes in Gaza, yeah thatās ALWAYS gonna be a yes for me. Trying to have nuanced convos about ethno-nationalism in domestic policy ā¦ 3/5
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And thatās led to a huge uptick in antisemitic discourse which has led to an explosion of antisemitic violence (all of which I know u r aware). So yeah, we SHOULD call out bigotry when we see it. 2/5
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Iām not saying we SHOULD be culturally sensitive to the bigotry. Iām merely pointing out that it is in no way unique to š®š±. Thereās been so much incinderary rhetoric targeted at š®š± bc of āethnostateā actions that folks seem to think are unique and villainous to š®š± alone. 1/5
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I could see some place like TX or KS try to pass a law that says Christianity is the official religion of the State. Of course then it would probably devolve into a legal nightmare when all the various denoms started fighting over whose version was the right version to enforce etc.
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Like I donāt want to dunk on you or anything but may I gently encourage you to look up the definition of indigenous language and indigenous people? And also do a little research on the origins of the Torah?
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Doā¦do you really think the Torah was originally written in Aramaic? And that Yiddish and Ladino are INDIGENOUS languages?
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Pretty much every nation on earth is an ethnostate to some degree. Some are more extreme cases than others. But every nation privileges those who will adapt to their own ethnic praxis over those who will remain outliers.
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And bc ethnicity is a core part of our own identity, that rejection of the countryās cultural practicesāand thus by extension their own ethnicityāit is seen as a rejection of them personally. This is why arguments about Israel being an ethnostate are somewhat ridiculous.
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And so they become afraid as more of that group move into the country and continue to ārejectā the countryās ethnic practices, they will eventually overthrow the majority and replace them. Itās a ridiculous fear but they see it as an āinvading forceā.
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But itās not the sole factor and sometimes not even the primary driving factor. Itās about homogeneity of culture and maintaining the status quo. And folks get mad when ppl move to a new country and donāt adopt their cultural practices but rather stick to their own. They see it as rejection.
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Will these new ppl adopt the existing culture or will they change it? Thatās often the fear that drives ppl when there is a flood of immigrants to their country. They fear they wonāt adopt the ways of the country and will instead change the cultural practices. Sure racism CAN play a part.
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England might not cease to exist if it were not all white Brits but it would cease to exist if they werenāt all Brits. Same for France or Italy or Spain. After all, thatās one of the biggest contentions with immigrationāassimilation.
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And what of Japan? Or S Korea? Both HIGHLY ethnographic states (Japan esp). Also ethnicity isnāt necessarily tied to race. Being Jewish as an ethnicity isnāt reflective of racial features like skin tone. After all there are white Jews and Black Jews and Asian Jews and Brown Jews etc.
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THAT is where the rhetoric tips into antisemitism. And there has been such a rampant increase in this rhetoric of late that nuanced convos have become nigh impossible to hold. So my adviceātake it or leave itāis to engage in such convos sparingly, esp with Jews as we put up w/ enough right now
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Does Israel need to fix some of their policies to ensure equality within their society? Yes absolutely. Honestly this is fair to say about pretty much every country on earth. Thereās valid criticism of Israeli domestic policy to address. But the vilification of š®š± as tho they r unique here ā¦
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The problem is that folks vilify š®š± for policies that while problematic are certainly not unique to š®š± and are engaged in by democracies the world over. But for some reason, only š®š± must be dismantled bc of these policies but not all of these other nations. And therein lies the REAL problem
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The problem though is that they arenāt winning elections either. Are they really so high on their own supply that they think theyāve got all this shit figured out?! How are they STILL so BAD at this after all these years? Like really?!?
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Really?! Were you never on Twitter? Bsky isnāt perfect but it is MILES better than Twitter ever was.
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Oh also the rest of your screed is ahistorical bullshit. Folks really need to learn how to read and study history. 2/2
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You lost all credibility when you used the term āSemitesā to refer to a group of people. Look it up. There is no such categorization of people. āSemiticā is used to refer to a group of languages and āantisemitismā was coined to SPECIFICALLY refer to āJew hatredā. 1/2
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This would most certainly make Japan an ethnostate. And S. Korea. And honestly quite a few European nations.
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But letās not pretend that Israel is unique in its immigration policies. It may be a bit more extreme but itās hardly unique. 5/5
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Iām not saying I agree with everything Israel does. I definitely think the government needs to improve in areas, esp in how it treats Palestinians and resettlements (which are just flat out wrong IMOāno one should be kicked out of their home so someone else can move in). 4/5
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Example: I have a cousin whose partner was able to get an Irish passport bc her grandfather was born there in the early 1900s. Sheād never been to Ireland. Knew nothing of the culture or the traditions. Granted she spoke the same language but that was it. 3/5