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Cuz, do you remember the subprime crisis? No? A reminder?
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But hold on a second, here… ?! Oops !
Haven’t a lot of people(Pheww!), based their reflection on the « thought(?) » that there was a lack of money in Haïti?
Well, Wrong thought !
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However to be able to do so, the swiftest way, would be for the HAITIAN Sovereign State to create the amount needed, to provide it to France, to enable Her(?) to pay them back… .
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The Haitian legal tender currency/money ? OR an alien one ?
There would be no meaning to use an alien one… .
So, the only option IS to use the Haitian one.
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In the case that she put forward, the French court is right but for all the wrong reasons that she’s put forward… .
NOW(!), in the case of the reparations, what currency/money will they use for the payment ?
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« Money » is a way to re-organize social relations INSIDE a community.
« Money » used in one community has no meaning(value?) in another one… .
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Beg ur pardon, again.
Regarding Dr Stieber’s intervention(minute30/05s-couldn’t find the reference by the way, a pity!) during the HSA discussion on Debt, Haïti and 1825 on the 16th of May(?).
Please do consider the following.
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But hold on a second, here… ?! Oops !
Haven’t a lot of people, based their reflection on the « thought(?) » that there was a lack of money in Haïti?
Well, Wrong thought !
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However to be able to do so, the swiftest way, would be for the HAITIAN Sovereign State to create the amount needed, to provide it to France, to enable Her(?) to pay them back… .
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The Haitin legal tender currency/money ? OR an alien one ?
There would be no meaning to use an alien one… .
So, the only option IS to use the Haitian one.
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In the case that you put forward, the French court is right but for all the wrong reasons that you’ve put forward… .
NOW(!), in the case of the reparations, what currency/money will they use for the payment ?
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« Money » is a way to re-organize social relations INSIDE a community.
« Money » used in one community has no meaning(value?) in another one… .
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Beg ur pardon, again.
Regarding your intervention(minute30/05s-couldn’t find the reference by the way, a pity!) during the HSA discussion on Debt, Haïti and 1825 on the 16th of May(?).
Please do consider the following.
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D'accord avec vous! C'est justement pour cela que l'on doit permettre un débat.
Or, Ô surprise! Toute perspective(critique) "sortant de la ligne imposée par le parti" est traitée en pestiférée... . Ce n'est pas un débat, là. C'est de la propagande(réactionnaire!).
Vous connaissez le Ch4 2 ce livre
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Sorry I've forgotten to ask something important, as well. "What is DEBT?" "Where does it come from?"
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1)« Instead, public finance is seen as being dependent on the ‘wealth-creating’ private sector, leading to a fundamental misunderstanding of how states are funded ». These lines are from the book of Mary MELLOR : « MONEY- Myths, Truths and alternatives », p.12.
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3/5)By « income » you mean OUR fiscal obligations ? Taxes ?
4/5)So, you believe in « handbag economics » ?
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I beg ur pardon.
1/5)Have u read the ch4 of the book below,plz ?
2/5)What do u think of it ? Please.
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These are matters that do fascinate me.
In fact, another interpretation is available regarding the Haiti’s 1825 debt.
Would you accept to gently debate about that please ?
Same thing for colonialism and slavery… .
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Last, do you realize that Dr. Alex Dupuy confirms that « private property » in our societies controlled by the States and Empires is based on violence ?
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AND « Nation-State= Racism ».
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How was the industrial revolution made possible in Europe ? Through CREDIT(debt).
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Because : « what is debt ? », « where does it come from(from nowhere!) » !
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I think that it would really be meaningful for all the scholars present on the show to have discussions with economic anthropologists, or economic historians or economists.
Keith Hart ? Steve Keen ? Michaël Hudson ?
Just let them view the show… .
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Awesome !
Despite the extremely bumpy road, I’ve waited… . Until, 1h:24min and following.
It was worth waiting !
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Herméneute critique ?
Vous « donneriez » une chance( ou plus!) à d’autres perspectives , siouplê ?
*Ch4 de « Rethinking the Haitian Revolution » d’Alex Dupuy
et...
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How about asking scholars in England(and elsewhere?) what do they think of that?
THAT, would be fun... .
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Dans ces conditions, je doute très fortement que ce colloque puisse, ne serait-ce qu’effleurer du doigt, l’essence de ces évènements historiques, qui m’apparaissent fascinants et pleins de sens.
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Ce colloque DEVRAIT l’être. En effet.
Sauf que toute perspective critique, il me semble, étant perçue comme « l’ennemie », est systématiquement et méthodiquement écartée.
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uma "elite haitiana" reinstituiu a colônia, o Estado, o Império... contra a sociedade. E acaba chamando a França de volta para "interagir novamente" com ela, a "elite haitiana". Contra a sociedade.
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"(...)there was less of a distinction between the prerevolutionary slave society of French Saint-Domingue and postrevolutionary Haiti than historians such as Dubois have claimed. »... .
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Rather than an unmitigated tragedy, Haiti’s
early history of civil wars and coups accompanied the masses’
successful destruction of the plantation system and allowed
for the rise of a rural population that enjoyed relative autonomy and prosperity during most of the nineteenth century. »… .
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Haiti did not become a nation of small farmers because
the plantation system fell. The plantation system fell because
a large percentage of the early Haitians resolved to become
small farmers.
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By turning such a narrative on its head, this book argues that Haiti’s rural subsistence economy represented the victory of former slaves over subsequent elites, each of which failed inturn to reconstruct a stable and profitable plantation economy.
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and primitive, a sign of the country’s decline from the days of the French colonists and their splendid estates.
Haiti’s rulers failed to construct a wealthy, stable state, and so
the Haitian masses, with none to guide them, reverted spontaneously to a basic form of mixed subsistence production.
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and has been built into a narrative of independent Haiti’s helpless descent into chaos and backwardness. Many nineteenthcentury observers and subsequent scholars viewed the independent Haitian peasants and their small farms as antieconomic
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Although it is no secret that plantations virtually disappeared in
early Haiti, and the countryside became the domain of landowning subsistence farmers, this transformation has been interpreted as evidence of a tragic, inexorable decline
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P.15,16/316 :
« Contemporary accounts of economic decline in nineteenthcentury Haiti were invariably written by disapproving foreigners who failed to consider what the frightful sight of decaying, crumbling sugar mills or overgrown plantation fields might have meant to the country’s former slaves.
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🤭Exatamente! Avanti!
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Bravo por essas linhas. Mas eu não entendo. Você percebe que suas linhas desafiam completamente o resto do artigo?
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Tudo bem, tive acesso ao artigo... .
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Seria possível disponibilizar uma versão não paga, por favor?
Enfim, se você não tem medo de um debate crítico, está bem.
E "a dívida, afinal, o que é"?
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Avec une attention (très particulière) pour la période 1804-1825?
Et:"la dette, finalement, c'est quoi"?
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« Be curious not judgemental ». Remember ?
May I suggest you homeworks ? That I find fascinating.
For example, If I’m not mistaken, the « slave revolt » started in 1791.
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Rather than an unmitigated tragedy, Haiti’s
early history of civil wars and coups accompanied the masses’
successful destruction of the plantation system and allowed
for the rise of a rural population that enjoyed relative autonomy and prosperity during most of the nineteenth century. »… .
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Haiti did not become a nation of small farmers because
the plantation system fell. The plantation system fell because
a large percentage of the early Haitians resolved to become
small farmers.
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By turning such a narrative on its head, this book argues that Haiti’s rural subsistence economy represented the victory of former slaves over subsequent elites, each of which failed inturn to reconstruct a stable and profitable plantation economy.
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Haiti’s rulers failed to construct a wealthy, stable state, and so
the Haitian masses, with none to guide them, reverted spontaneously to a basic form of mixed subsistence production.