jsrouthier.bsky.social
Diversity, equity, inclusion and access are good, actually.
Managing editor, #JournalPanorama, @ahaaamericanart.bsky.social. Contributing writer, Antiques and The Arts Weekly.
Views, while hardly controversial, are my own.
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"of teaching commercial art & illustration as well as painting & sculpture and exhibiting works like Ruth Morley’s costume designs & Steven Cartoccio’s figurine of the rapper Notorious B.I.G. alongside portraits by Will Barnet & seascapes by Winslow Homer.”
📷Steven Cartoccio/Art Students League NY
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"This philosophy, historically and today, extends beyond women to include queer artists, people of color and international students, and, moreover, that it extends beyond human demographics. The League also has a history of dismantling barriers between art genres...
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And with that, my (good and kind) confessor has advised me to take a break from social media in atonement for all this. Thank you for helping me bow out in a moment of grace. ❤️
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...without qualification really. That I am speaking from a position that I am still not fully accustomed to but need to be better about acknowledging and taking into consideration...
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Agreed; I think a contributing factor here is that I spent most of my life outside of that hegemonic culture; and at least in this convo have failed to acknowledge that converting has put me fully within it...
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Forgiven. I have done much more wrong in this thread than that. I have a lot to think on. Thank you for it.
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I understand and apologize. For what it's worth, when I entered this thread I thought it was just about right-wing Christianity. It took me a while to realize I was arguing mostly with Jews. I should have bowed out earlier, and I regret not doing so.
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I also want to note that as a Catholic I agree that actions matter, not just belief. To that end I have to look at my own words and actions in this thread and discern where I've gone so wrong that it came to this point. Again, I apologize for it.
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I hear this and don't deny it. I definitely grew up in a Christian-dominated environment. But for what it's worth I did not grow up *as* a Christian and often felt some of the things you are describing. It's been a complicated journey. I appreciate you taking the time to engage with me on this.
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I agree with you; I have been trying to do that in this conversation, apparently not well. I have learned a lot.
I just took exception to the "pulling rank" comment.
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I did not mean it as a threat; and I apologize for the hurt it caused you. I was only trying to understand your better what you were saying.
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I apologize for any hurt I've caused.
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I am really sorry that this how our interaction ended. I really appreciated your contributions to the conversation, and you brought up some points that I had not considered before; I am sorry I did not reply to them directly before this post. I honestly thought we were having a civil conversation.
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You err in thinking I am somehow not aware of that both from a historical and a personal perspective.
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^Except that I have never, not once, suggested that existing interpretations have not impacted Jews negatively. I have repeatedly said the opposite. So you're arguing something else here. But I will take your advice and keep my own counsel.
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You seem to have a lot invested in being the final arbiter of meaning here, so I'm going to follow Jesus's advice and turn the other cheek.
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OK. You're entitled to that opinion. But given all the advice I've been given here about staying in my line, you might consider doing the same. It's not actually possible to pull rank on the interpretation of a religious text, ANY religious text, that is not your (collective you) own.
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But we're talking about a passage in Christian scripture, something *I* have spent a fair amount of time studying. Despite that, never once have I claimed, nor do I believe, that I speak with more authority on this subject than any one else participating in this conversation.
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Please don't assume that I don't. I can hold both truths at the same time.
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*I, not It
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Yes, they are Jewish values as well, totally. It did not mean to condemn the OT or blame Jews for anything that Evangelicals do. I apologize once again for my second remark, and again I promise to think more carefully about how I frame my thoughts on this in the future.
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To lots of people. As we've discussed, Christians throughout history have interpreted it as an act of Judenhass as well.*In my opinion* they misinterpret it and ignore its original context.
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I feel like I've been lectured so many times during this conversation that the Bible is open to interpretation, but in fact so many interlocutors here seem to want me to read it only in one very negative way.
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I have acknowledged so, so, so many times how it has often played out in the real world. I have just been saying that is not the only way to interpret it.
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Do you have more authority than me? I thought we were just people talking.
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OK, I didn't say that at all, but I am sorry that you have been hurt, and I wish you well.
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I apologize that I did not include that qualification in my comment.
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Ok, but let's acknowledge that Christians defining themselves apart ftom normative Judaism is not synonymous with Judenhass.
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I never, ever, ever said it's impossible to view it that way. I have said repeatedly that it is. I have just been trying to share an alternate view.
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It's a choice about how you view that, but it's right there in the text that Jesus was an admitted rulebreaker.
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OK, but that is really part of the point of the entire Gospels. I am not condemning ancient temple practices, just acknowledging that according to the text, Jesus wanted to reform them. That's the point.
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Right. Agreed. People have 100% used that text to support Judenhaas. My point is that *in my opinion* it original context is intercommunal critique.
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My understanding is that it was about *where* it was happening rather than *that* it was happening. Textually speaking, Jesus is very much on board with feeding the hungry and helping the poor. He was a little hard-core about money though, for sure.
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That's all I've got, in the end.
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I acknowledge that I see it through a Christian lens, but doesn't that follow? I do not view it as an example of Judenhass but I do understand how it is possible to.
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You asked why I'm privileging Jesus's opinion over Jewish sources. I mean, I'm Christian. I privilege his opinion in most things. Plus as far as I know there is no Jewish retelling of the Temple story; it only appears in Christian scripture
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Nice intolerance badge, sport.
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Respectfully, I believe this is a misinterpretation.
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I am not a sola scriptura person, not remotely. We are interpreting the text. It's exegesis. Neither you nor I know what if or how it actually happened.
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That is not in the story,which is what we are talking about. It just says he "entered the temple courts." And of course he was "just some guy." That is a really big part of the story.
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The story (not historical fact) makes clear that having money changers within the temple walls was a recent development to which Jesus objected because he took the Torah-mandated practice seriosly.
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I have actually really enjoyed the conversation, which reminds me of Twitter before it sucked. I appreciate your perspectives.
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The waters have gotten very muddied here as we both practice exegesis and discuss the historical moment in which Christianity emerged.
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OK. I will say for the record that I do not see Christianity as replacement for Judaism, that Jews are the real Jews, and that I fully acknowledge the bible is not historical fact.
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My question was, do you think *I* am making that argument?
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I think we may be looking at different texts. In the temple story, he was opposed to money-changing happening within the temple walls, and he turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple. He didn't in any way take food from the hungry?
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Good Lord,you don't really think I'm arguing that, do you?
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Of course, though in general I find that much more true of Acts.