mcchris85.bsky.social
Political & cultural history & memory, national identity. Lots on sport, food & travel. Some disability stuff. Polish/Polski speaker. Views my own.
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Her point isn't about people throughout history using the same tool. She is talking about how there is always a tool of its specific time. She is talking about ideological purists, yes, who see no debate in an issue, even with those who largely agree & use the tools to rubbish any debate.
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It's not really what she's saying, though, is it!? Her point is that at any point in time people use the tools at their disposal to take down their ideological enemies. Overlooking the dating issue, she's saying accusing someone, a rival, of heresy was as much a political tool as anything.
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It's very well written & incredibly straightforward to follow.
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There's an option to sign up for a free account
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Read the article?
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Yes, & that specific set of sculptures touches on a number of areas. It's impossible to separate it from the broader subject of museum returns however much you look at the specific aspects of the BM's acquisition, Greece's history, & its claims.
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What's the source for this, please?
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I'm not saying Greece isn't. My point is about the broader discussion about returns as a whole & how it's often talked about online
I'm also saying this is made more complicated by the history, both of Greece as a country & the Ottoman Empire issuing firmans
I say it is a specific case above
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So, all museums can only ever be national museums. Egypt is a good example here. Not only is it a great advert for Egypt, but there simply isn't the space to display everything. That doesn't mean some specific, important objects shouldn't be returned.
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When you go to the display, that's kind of what they do say. It was legal at the time, but we've lost the paperwork. I have less of an issue with Greece asking for them to return to Athens than I do with online commenters seeing anything foreign in a museum & demanding it go back where it came from.
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That's one reason I dislike the way this is often discussed, where do you stop? Are we saying objects can only be displayed in their (modern equivalent) country of origin?
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Agree with Stephen here. Modern Greece likes to try & draw a straight line from Ancient Athens to the modern nation state missing out the bits it doesn't like. The Parthanon was a largely overlooked symbol until after independence.
They really are terribly displayed, too.
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My position has always been 'I pretty much disagree with everyone'
Maybe we shouldn't have them, but we do. Being 'Greek' is a slippery slope when it comes to where things should be. Whether it was legal at the time is an interesting question as Greece overlooks its history
The display is terrible
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Only the King gets to take photos in the Prado.
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Leaning into stereotypes while also using Latinex is a bit of a flex
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Absolutely. It's always baffled me what more the state can know about you or control you if we had a national ID card, especially when ID is already required in so many aspects of life.
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He didn't even say thank you
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👀
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No wonder he never replies to my questions.
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You literally don't exist according to Matt
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What are those of us with one foreign parent?
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And Boris Johnson & Winston Churchill
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I thought Cleopatra was a 90s girl group...