outofsink.bsky.social
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He's eating the checks. He's eating the balances. He's eating the rights of the people that live there.
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Heartbreaking and unjust. Due process matters!!!
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If you're confused, reread thread. I wasn't saying that the left killed fluoridation science. Someone said that a mix of the left + far right killed fluoridation in Portland, I was just saying it doesn't necessarily fall into ridiculous science denial, as our conversation has clearly shown!
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I say, it's got some good bones. let's listen, talk, improve, participate, and improve the house. Let's dust out the skeletons in the closet and heal. To do so requires listening, as I'm listening and trying to understand you.
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Here's my overall point: I love the house, even though the house has some defects, the structure of said house is intended to create a society that is free to self improve. It seems in vogue to either stake out "there are no problems" or "there are problems, burn it down".
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Yes but so are studies on hyperthyroidism and flouride in water. It's not an open and shut case and to pretend so is to ignore a rational conversation.
www.nature.com/articles/s41....
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To not acknowledge that we don't know something 100% when we don't is to leave the door open for the burn-downers.
To acknowledge that we get better information is the basis of science itself.
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Simple: I am vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated, and I wore a mask even when the CDC was saying not to.
If reason and sanity are to win, we MUST be able to sheer off valid premises from invalid conclusions. Select one: we acknowledge imperfection (and continue to improve) (we burn it all down).
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3) transparent communication of the science has been inadequate. For fear of people doing stupid things, public health has attempted to oversimplify, which has opened the door to a loss of trust and conspiracy thinking
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I don't suspect that all the science is wrong, I am however open to some possibilities 1) there may be other options available that may have less downside and 2) downside risk over over-exposure to fluoride is non-zero
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Won*
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Thanks, bud. Haven't one any social media jousts because of it, but I do sleep well at night. ✌️☮️
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Not trying to parse a complex conversation 140 characters at a time with someone who's life, mind, and motives are something I can only guess at. It's a virtual impossibility to come away mutually clearer and feeling better, even if I had the time for the thumb jab march.
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I can wholeheartedly join you in condemning bigotry. I can't join you in a blanket pass for the left on science. The problem is we could spend all day going back and forth here and never get more clarity. Happy to DM, happy to talk to you.
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I'm pro seeing Trumpism as the evil and threat that it is and uniting to defeat it. I'm anti-toxin and pro strong immune systems (socially, environmentally, biologically). When I fall short of that, I am pro-apology. I'm not the keeper of truth and I'm just another human. Cheers.
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I agree with a lot of what you said. Semantics on what liberal means or what left means don't get me anywhere. I am pro: you're right to choose, your right to be, your vote being weighed as equal to mine. I'm pro-kindness, pro-acceptance, pro-self-awareness.
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As are.... Human beings aware of nearly any belief system. I think a lot of clarification is needed about what we're talking about when we talk about science. Are we talking about the scientific method or any given result?
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Thank you! Great reply. I'm with you.
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I'll look into him. Thanks for the info.
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So much of those studies are population surveys without a control, then the meta studies are aggregating those surveys. What has increased while flouride in water has increased is...brushing and flossing, less malnourishment, and flouride in toothpaste.
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Yeah, until very recently I was literally posting from your position! So as it turns out, it's a quantity thing, there are alternatives that are possibly better (research ongoing) and it should be in toothpaste. There is a medical ethics question in putting it in water, regardless of efficacy.
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And as for your last line lol and agree: no sexpests invited in my tent!!!
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whoa that made no sense .. by "I don't agree with all thinkers" I meant: I'm not motivated by ad hominem arguments.
First was poorly written
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I don't know Krauss. I don't agree with all thinkers, I do think it's ridiculous to pretend the far left hasn't been anti-science though and I don't want to get us trapped in defending everything the furthest left of our flank does. In sum: bring them in, don't move toward them.
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Pro-science is simply pro-scientific process (observation, question, hypothesis, experiment, etc). And pro-tech? What tech?
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You should see it here in northern California. My wife is a yoga instructor and you wouldn't believe how many yogis and hippies have gone there. They don't see themselves as far right, they are cocooned in an info silo and fully animated by podcast info and conspiracy
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Again I find myself agreeing with the problem but wanting a better conversation about the solution. Simply put: to win, we can't give them fuel and we can't eat our own. Unite! For freedom, love, individual rights for ALL, rule of law, and climate. Win territory. Hearts and minds. Big tent. Win.
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Super. I understand and totally agree with what you're saying. Interestingly, the science on flouridation itself is not good though really interesting history. I support more scientific and historical inquiry into it.
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I'm also pragmatic. Gender is a powerful, personal, and complex topic/science yet the common conversation is hysterical (whether on the right or left side of the horseshoe). So I will not worry about a chair when the house is burning First, beat the hard right, save our country. Love and unity.
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Liberal? I am. Not neo-liberal but my deepest policy cares are climate, environment, women's rights, freedom. In the recent cycle, deepest cares have become free speech, voting access, and constitutional issues (namely,separate and equal branches, independent judiciary).
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How? They rallied behind RFK, RFK is motivated by anger toward his Democrat family and took.them onboard with Trump and that was the meaningful 3% Trump needed. They now have influence. It happened recently.
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Hank, it's a horseshoe, not a line! And the attacks are coming from the far left and the far right. We gotta get out of the "it's ok for us because they did it first" thing. Basically descended into the political equivalent of "whelp, heeeee made a bad face" "whelp sheeee took my toy"
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Can you share this data please? That's a smoking gun and we need some investigative journalists on it.
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Market Manipulation the day after.
You and I would be in prison…
There should be a special prosecutor on this immediately.
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Ok if you can't agree with literally ANYONE else that fentanyl is bad and strong borders are good, you have been pigeonholed into a losing position. Strong borders do NOT equal Trump's illegal deportation policies or even to limiting immigration. Don't get stuck in a stupid position.
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IMO gapatriot's point is that we do not want to become our enemy. Thar be dragons. There's plenty of valid, obvious corruption and IMHO need to stick to that solid ground.
I think your point is Citizens United and unlimited $ in politics, R's attacks on voter access, etc. We need to unite!
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Amen!
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Here, he's telling people to "buy the dip" which is embarrassing and has issues, but is too vague to chase. There are so many things he does that are outright illegal, IMHO it's critical to not to grasp for straws when there are cornfields of corruption in broad daylight