paulleach53.bsky.social
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the problem with rejoiners is that they dont actually know what they want
Some think we can simply go back to what we had, we cant
Some want to rejoin on a new deal but they sure what it is
Some want a deal but not to rejoin
Some dont want to bother people with a vote , because they might lose
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he was literally tweeting how good the budget was as it was made!
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but its looking good,,,
could it be that some people do actually look at policies and realised that planning to spend money you havent got isnt a good idea?
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That is a useless comparison. It shows me have lower pension compared to average wages but doesnt show contribution rates, standard pensions etc. I think you will find that the basic pension, beow which you cant go, is lower in France and possibly germany. theirs is heavy towards superannuation
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it is no good telling me how much you have left if you dont list what your total income and expenditure is.
I maintain that someone on the std pension can live reasonably well, are you on the std pension? do you rent?
When you say you have £62 left does that include your works pension or not?
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A win is a win, and for a so called unpopular govt to take a seat from a national party has got be good especially when it was following a death not a resignation
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Ok
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Was that meant to mean me?
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Fine, not fibe
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You mean you want to be able to make a statement and not be challenged?
Fibe by me, we both know that what you mean is you have no idea if such a person exists
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Correct!
In 1976, during the drought, we had stand pipes because they couldn't cope
When we had another drought in 1995, they had to fetch water by tanker because customers said they wouldn't pay for water they didn't recieve
A still nationalised company would have turned the taps off again
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Give me an example of someone who needs financial help and doesnt get it
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Or money of course
It's just a fact that a govt sold it and if another govt wants it they will have to pay for it, and that's not cheap
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You said they needed help and should get it, they do!
You said they should be able to live, not just survive, they can
You intimated they needed the WFA, they dont
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Sorry, I don't understand?
I don't think pensioners need extra, you said you aren't arguing, so you must agree?
If, however, you do think they need more, we come back to why you think they need more
Given that, in your example, an OAP can pay his bills and run a car, what do you think they need?
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you aren't arguing for pensioners to have more help?
Then we are in agreement
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It's still brexit because there was never an intention to reverse brexit
Just a reminder, the only party committed to brexit, the libdems, came 3rd
I appreciate you are clearly an expert on railways but not everyone will agree they are in the wrong place
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Which of the human rights does she dislike us having?
I don't have a problem with the ECHR, but if you want to withdraw, then give us a bill of rights first!
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If that is your point of view, then you are not arguing for OAPs to get WFA. You are arguing for a higher pension, not a once a year bonus
Much more expensive and, given our discussion on figures, not warranted
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The problem is you haven't done your homework
They would get housing benefit of £438 per month
They wouldn't pay council tax
So, using your figures their bills come to £1060, inc car, their income is £1400+
Tell me again why they need £200?
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Well, it certainly isn't a defeat, is it?
As with all these things in 6 months time few people will remember how close it was, just that labour won
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I would be happier if people calling for change could tell me what change they mean
There is only 1 FPTP system, there are at least 9 alternatives, all with their flaws
How does PR work for a by election?
Labour have the seat for 31.6% of the time?
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As would any form of PR
Is there any evidence that the result would have been different under a different system?
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just like everyone else, i asked you to produce a budget and you couldnt
Do you have any idea what they spend?
a single pensioner wouldnt pay council tax,if they lived in social housing they wouldnt pay rent, if they privately rented they would get a pretty generous rent rebate.
try the AGE UK site
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we could go through a budget if you like?
What do you think a pensioner spends on food, energy, insurance etc?
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i agree that pensioners below the std pension should get help, which is what pension credit is for
I have yet to see anyone produce a budget for a pensioner that shows they need extra help on the std pension, and doesnt have access to more help via other benefits
an OAP does not NEED a £200 bung
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A point i have made myself
I have spent 9 months arguing this and every time someone says pensioners need WFA I ask them to list what a pensioner spends their pension on
I have a budget ready that shows OAPs like me can live reasonably well on the pension
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No idea
I am not even sure if there will be any savings, don't know how much a council sets aside for a final salary pension scheme but it will only apply to new staff so it will take years to do anything
It does fly in the farmers of reform wanting people to have a decent private pension of course
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in my humble opinion, as an OAP, i am staggered that anyone who has an income of £37k would need, or should receive, the WFA
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doesnt that mean that it exactly matched the Bank of England forecast of 3.4%?
I assume every commentator who said how bad it was that it was over the forecast will now apologise?
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i think you will find that the govt is doing its best to identify and reclaim such things, but it may be hampered by a lack of evidence
How would you go about identifying a company who made fraudulent claims?
If the company is now bankrupt where is the paper trail?
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didnt it used to be a left leaning, and therefore labour supporting, paper?
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a little confused
if the plan is to take it out at the point of the tax return how would families pay it back?
surely they arent filling in a tax return for a dead relative?
If it is paid to an OAP it will form part of their estate, wont it?
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you totally forget when bank holidays are!
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I have had a few chats like this. People like you start off telling me how difficult it is for pensioners to afford heating, and then have to do like you, and say pensioners should be able to have a decent life (which we do)
You would be better arguing for a higher pension, not a £200 bung
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i havent actually bought a winter coat for the past 5 yrs as the ones I have are serviceable, including my Crombie from years ago (they need replacing every 20 yrs!)
lots of people dont need to replace them every year, but i knew you would come back and say I had missed it so I included one.
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first one i looked at
tuclothing.sainsburys.co.uk/product/tuc1...
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you said you hoped i would never have to manage on the state pension, I already do, and do reasonably well which negates your argument
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okay, if you prefer that
pay awards means salary increase in money terms, not in %s
they still dont qualify
but you use a list of how much extra they got to say its excessive, and it doesnt mean that at all, you need ot define what you consider excessive, do you have an upper limit for pay?
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By the way, you should be aware that you are actually arguing with a 71 yr old man who receives the state pension, which is why I am fairly knowledgeable about the figures
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No, you are confused because you originally said pay awards, which means salaries, when you meant pay rises, a totally different thing
They are paid well, but, as I demonstrated, not the highest
And executive pay is meaningless, energy prices are set by the regulator
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But you don't explain why the almost £4k doesn't cover those?
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Okay, let's dive a bit deeper
Socks are £1 a pr, 10 prs a yr
£10
Trousers £20, 2 prs a yr
£40
Jeans £10 a pr, 2 prs
£20
Briefs £4 a pr, 5 prs a yr
£20
Shirts £10, 3 a yr
£30
Jumpers
£20
Shoes £30, 1 pr a yr
£30
Light weight jacket
£30
Winter coat
£50
A lot of these last longer than a yr
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I am confused, surely the top 5 are the highest?
Let's make it simple, you tell me which energy CEO got paid more than my list?
I have shown that other people earn more, i didn't say pensions were generous, I said they were adequate
My only interest is calling out misinformation and fact checking
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Free bus pass?
There is £76 pw or almost £3952 left from the std pension for all those things
But surely your point was that OAPs were so poor they needed an extra £200, explain why, and why you think the govt should be paying them for birthday presents?
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by the way, i dont sit on here all the time waiting for people like you to make a stupid comment, so you wont always get an instant reaction
forgive me for anything other things to do
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no, that would be ludicrous, who eats avocado on toast so late at night?
And I havent played on a proper console in about 20 years!
but it doesnt make any less true, does it?
Try popping into Merrie england sometime
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why do i need to do my homework when you claim living stards are falling then send me an article that shows they have gone up, not by much, but have risen
That, I think, is the complete opposite of falling?
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is it?
this week i walked through my local town centre during a weekday for the first time in a long time
the cafes seemed busy, merrie england was full of OAPs have coffee and cake, every 3rd person seems to be able to afford tattoos
everyone of my grandchilds friends has games console etc
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not at all, but i dont like the idea of 27 million people filling in a form to show they are not wealthy
lots say tax the rich, no one says how
The Times rich list is not validated, you cant used that.
How much do you have? any first editions, jewellery, silver cutlery? whats your house worth?