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I think that will depend a lot on where the uranium actually is right now.
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Centuries of being treated as 2nd class, and a movement that objected to their presence even as landowners, created a clear reason to reserve part of the mandate land for them to have sovereignty over. They declared independence and were immediately attacked, so yes, the risk was real.
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How do you not hear that idea, "Everything was peaceful until the Jews got their own country" and realize it's exactly the same as the whites during the Civil Rights era who insisted everything was peaceful during Segregation, before agitators stirred up trouble?
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No, life wasn't "better" when the indigenous Jewish people were legally second-class in the land where their culture originates, because of a conquest centuries before. It wasn't even all that peaceful, there were instances of targeted violence and widespread prejudice.
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Normally, a land owner selling culturally important heritage land back to a group whose ancestors got conquered by the owner's people, is considered good. And if the renters go "Nobody asked US! We don't want THEIR kind moving in around here!" it's considered bad.
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When they tell you that these people, buying this land that was so precious to them that they paid inflated prices to get it, shouldn't have been allowed to buy it at any price, because the land owners didn't ask the renters if they objected to the sale, that's where you should start questioning it.
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I was talking about the start of the movement against there ever being a Jewish state. Jews whose ancestors fled to Europe after the Arab conquest started buying culturally important land in the 1800s. The Axis of Resistance movement will tell you those land purchases were also illegitimate.
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I support a full investigation and appropriate charges. But there is no such thing as a country doing such bad things that it loses the right to exist. There's no death penalty for nations. That's not a thing. It's a crime.
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It's a myth that there were no Jews there before Israel was created. A community lived there continuously for thousands of years, and a large population stayed within the region after their former sovereign land was conquered. The land never stopped being culturally important to this people.
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I do agree that's clearly a crime and it needs to stop. But the only way Palestine can get justice for that, and make the occupiers leave Palestinian territory, is by setting a permanent border and making peace. As long as they say they're trying to destroy Israel, Israel has an excuse to occupy.
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If someone is saying "Their kind shouldn't even be allowed to buy land here. We don't want their people around, this land is for the REAL people only," that shouldn't sound any different than when a MAGA says it here.
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When you get to the part of the anti-Israel narrative where you learn that the UN just drew a border around existing Jewish communities and some public land, and most of it was purchased fair and square, but this too is called illegitimate, that's where your red flag detector should go off.
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They know YOU need to hear "It's been doing genocide for 80 years straight, and also does Apartheid, and its very existence is a crime, land was stolen from indigenous people to form it!"
When you live in a society where prejudices are baked-in, you should take care to be skeptical.
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Of course a group like that, objecting to any Jewish state's existence because it was God's Will that the Jewish people get conquered for Islam, is going to realize that that sounds bad to Westerners. They're grown adults, they're just very religious. Like Mike Huckabee.
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The movement to object to there ever being ANY Jewish state on any part of ancestral Jewish land began decades before Israel even existed. It's a religious movement that objects to these people ever having sovereign control of their own cultural heritage land because they think that's blasphemous.
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The original partition plan, with both groups getting fair land settlements and Jerusalem being an international city, would have worked to fairly settle the dispute in everyone's best interests. The people who objected to ANY Jewish state of any size, for religious reasons, were wrong to do so.
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Every other distinct cultural group in the former Ottoman Empire got its own sovereign state. The Jews got a tiny scrap of land, much smaller than Jordan, the part of the Mandate set aside for Arabs, in addition to the one set aside for a specifically Palestinian Arab state.
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Especially when the conquering society is very clear that the reason they don't want to give any of the land back to the people they conquered and kept second class for centuries, with occasional pogroms and persecutions, is because the conquest was God's Will. That's the LEAST legitimate basis.
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There's no rational reason why a progressive leftist would look at this history and go "Well that group whose heritage originates there simply has no right to any sovereignty over any of it anymore. They were conquered and that means they get nothing back, ever." That's not how we normally think.
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That's why we find relics of cultural importance to the Jewish People when archaeologists dig there. Because that's where that cultural heritage originates, thousands of years ago, with a community living there continuously, though reduced to a remnant after being conquered centuries ago.
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No, the Ottoman Empire did not originate in the region. The Canaanite peoples were conquered in the Islamic conquest by the Arabs, who are indigenous to the Arabian peninsula. The other Canaanites assimilated and now consider themselves Arabs. Jews refused to assimilate and were kept 2nd class.
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What if it was like a Swiss cheese effect, gaps exist at any given place, but they only create pockets of radiation, not one unbroken passage to the surface? Maybe it will start to leak slowly over time. I've just seen people saying the IDF had intelligence it was still there. 🤷♀️
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Abusive control tactics.
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They live in a post-truth reality.
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Abuse of strong foreign medicines, allegedly.
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Is it possible that the rubble is so thick that it's sealing in a leak below?
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Usually there's also paperwork involved, an agreement you could hold in your hand and take to international court.
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Pro-Tip for the Reality-Based Community: When it's a real ceasefire, the two warring nations both announce it. So we can tell.
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Hating a particular nation and its people is no better than hating a particular race, religion, or sexual orientation. You're not better than any other bigot.
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Not really. Palestine has vowed to wipe Israel off the map, leading to Israel militarily occupying them. A normal state would simply make peace and set a border, but because of religious fanaticism Palestine continues to vow forever war.
The question is why are Western Leftists supporting that?
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They were offered their own state at the exact same time as Israel, and the world has continued to offer to recognize their state ever since. They reject it and demand ALL of Israel's land instead. That is their choice, they are grown adults with agency, not helpless NPCs for you to save.
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ONLY the people of a state can decide to end their state or merge it with another. That's what it means to say they have sovereignty and territorial integrity.
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All existing states have the right to go on existing, guaranteed by the UN Charter and enforced by the UN Security Council. Please stop this madness that would plunge the world back into war of all against all, which we can't afford now that nukes exist.
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the actual story here is that the president of the united states is a pathological liar and unhinged narcissist who regularly invents world-shaking claims and takes credit for things that didn't happen, BUT THE NEWS MEDIA CANNOT SAY THAT, so instead the story becomes "is there a war? who knows!"