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That wouldn't suck!
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We can just lump both!
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Meh, IMHO the fact that you can't tell what it's doing is the problem. Privacy isn't a property of where the data is processed but of who determines the purpose of processing.
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Even worse 😂
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No one is giving up, we just have to be honest about where it is and understand what power needs to be eliminated.
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If all you want from the web is an SDK for hobbyists then sure, you're fine. If you want an information ecosystem that operates at scale, is compatible with democracy, doesn't defund non-tech, we don't have it — because Google is in a position to set the rules.
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You keep making vague assertions that maybe there are other ways to find things, as if that weren't obvious. What is that supposed to change to the power dynamic? It's evident that you have no experience running something that needs traffic or you'd get it.
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And not just one browser or OS either, the others are paid off.
Unfortunately too many people in tech can't tell the difference between theoretical freedom and substantive freedom.
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Sure, and people can spontaneously show up at your place to read your diary.
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Hey, you want more info, you don't want more info, whatever just make up your mind maybe? Literally your only argument is that unspecified people are doing unspecified things.
Go touch some grass?
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That's like saying the state isn't censoring you because you can write whatever you want in your diary. The point of the web isn't to blast things into the void.
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And I'm assuming you've used search engine before?
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I literally have no idea what you're talking about. You seem to be saying that there are people out building capture resistant ActivityPub? By what? Repeating the same mistakes we've seen for thirty years?
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Ah, that makes sense, thanks. Also that doesn't look like the street outside their SF office at all.
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No, I know that and I'm old enough to remember when the lava lamps were set up, I'm just surprised I hadn't heard about them getting blasted!
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Wait, what happened?
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Google
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This man's gif game alone should be enough for the other candidates to just step aside.
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Some people are really good at missing the point though, even under current circumstances!
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See, like, the whole thread?
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See you there!
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Will you be in Madrid for IETF?
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But there are options that give groups of smaller players more power. They're just impossible to get to so long as the big players block things and the few remaining others don't understand that they're supporting a specific political project.
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If we stay within the current "voluntary" multi-stakeholder model, there's no way out from that. It's purely a model in which might makes right unless there's an actively competitive market, which, well, lol. It's exactly like the US in the WTO or IMF system.
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I'm not saying never try, I'm saying try in a way that has a chance of working!
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We don't have that with email, you generally see all emails to you in any client you point to it. You could have an approximation of that (ignoring that MIME sucks and that text is mostly conventions) but all clients would have to do it without a standard.
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People outside of tech have at times found solutions to this problem 😁
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Looking forward to it!
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I'm not dismissing them, those people have a thing they love and I want them to keep it. I just wish they would stop confusing something they love with something that would last more than a week if the fascists ever want it.
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You've never had a shared drive with other people?
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Agreed — I think it's a question of where you draw the perimeter of the web. Most people don't understand that there's a difference between their browser and their search engine. It's their world I care about, not mine where I can escape because I know how.
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Sure but they're too small a group to matter. Either Fedi is mostly them and it's not worth capturing, or it's big enough to capture and they'll just be an annoying minority.
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That's the story we like to tell ourselves but it doesn't hold up to how the system actually works with real users 😁
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"The Plausibility of Life" by Marc Kirschner & John Gerhart
Interesting tidbits but I wanted more theory.
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No, I just want AT, really. I don't want to share a file system with other people, they use it wrong.
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There's more than one search engine in the same way that there's more than one DNS.
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I do. It's just that those bitter fights won't matter if it gets big enough to be worth capturing, because all the people who will fight bitterly about that are already there.
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Yes! I don't think that we can find a solution that isn't properly technolegal. It's tricky though 😁
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They were shouted at. But now imagine Google puts all Gmail users on the Fediverse, plays nice for a year or two, then does this. Sure, you'll have 200 German Linux users defederating but that's it.
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Are they not just iOS now? I've been curious forever.
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They would flock to that because they'd get a much better experience from it.
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You mean to prevent capture?