thevogelman.bsky.social
I’m a high school English teacher in Bucks County, PA. I present PD and authored the books Poetry Pauses (2023) and Artful AI (coming June 2025).
Poem of the Day to start each class!
https://brettvogelsinger.com
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I enjoyed this episode! It dovetails nicely with my new book on the artful use of AI in writing instruction. @tonyfrontier.bsky.social’s approach is thoughtful and reasonable; we need that when navigating change.
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Love it…I say it’s like a period and a comma had a child😳 😂 It says “this thought ends here, but I have another thought I want to add to it.”
And you’ve got the comma correct before “saying”…though you could replace “saying” with a semicolon!
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Yes!! I know some find them pretentious, but I say that depends on what words you use around them.
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I hear you. And what happens with your input comes to mind, which depends on the tool.
However, if it points out gaps and questions that humans need to address but may be overlooking, could it be one small part of the process? Might its output propel the human work into important depth or detail?
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Oh wow. Me neither. That feels icky for sure.
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😂😂😂
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I love doing this!
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Thank you Peter!
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👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Oh my word! Thank you! I’m flooded with nostalgia for my first year of teaching when I taught this play! My first published article was about it but never thought of it in this context.
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I also think discussing the huge range of activities under “using AI” is important to incorporate. Live demonstration if various uses too…I’ve done this and had students write their opinions on the use they just witnessed on the screen. Powerful conversations!
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These are critically important conversations to have and having them with kids is the most important part 👏🏻 I’d love to see how they feel about students using AI to work in assignments or lessons about how to do that transparently…perhaps an upcoming post?
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That should definitely be part of it…but also defining “well.” And I would add help in approaching AI with nuance…How can we use it artfully at various stages in the writing process without using it to replace thinking and practice, the heart if what our writers need?
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Beautiful!
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It is a great moment. Powerful to me even as a kid.
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Love the “nor” 😁
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I always enjoy the way you craft your posts. A joy to read.
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The way you put this…yes. It captures part of what makes this book so special!
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👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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You’re going to love it. So good!
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Oof. I’m so sorry. That’s awful.
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Truth!
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And…partially because if the environmental impact…I turn off automatic AI summaries on things like email and text and will never be someone who relies on it or lives on it. My human brain is environmentally friendly and I like using it with no artificial assistance most of the time.
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All of its thorniness across content areas so students understand the costs of using it for meaningless things. I guess I recognize few people are perfectionists in environmental decisions, but we can all be informed and judicious and care about it.
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But I also use AI a few times a week for meaningful pursuits. My decision has been to model my thinking for students (I talk about composting too sometimes!) and hope that my small part of their moral development has some impact. I also hope systems commit to building in reading about AI and
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Hey, that’s ok. I like curiosity! We’ve all got a footprint. I compost trash in the backyard for the garden, rescue baby trees and find them new homes, almost never fly, eat beef a few times a year, thrift most of my clothes and avoid fast fashion, don’t run my car in the pickup line…
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I’m not sure I’m getting this…but are you saying some students are being actively encouraged by schools to just “AI it” instead of learning how to write at all? That’s no good. I haven’t personally witnessed this or anything approaching this, but if you have, I want to learn more about it.
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I call all of these “tentacles” of the issue. They matter! Like so many issues, this one is many-tentacled.
As far as the writing instruction tentacle goes though, I’m finding that coexistence with this technology is not all bad. “Use AI” is such a broad term, including helpful and harmful acts.
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I love “Fighting the Tree” by Davon Loeb so much! www.thesunmagazine.org/articles/272...
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And I should add that there are a good number of kids who want nothing to do with AI, and I love that too 🙂 I’ll never pressure anyone to use it.
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Definitely want them doing that. But honestly it’s been cool to experience as a writer and talk to kids who have experienced the kind of unfurling effect AI can have as they are developing ideas. Machines poking and pushing one’s own brain to go deeper. All use of AI is not equal.
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It can sometimes…and AI should never be the starting point.
But students can also learn to use AI to help refine, expand, or focus their own ideas during this phase, point out avenues they had not considered, which in turn gets new ideas going in their brains.
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I guess the term “use AI” becomes so broad…but yes, if it did all the reflecting for him, no good…because that’s not reflecting. But depending on how he used it, I might feel differently.
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How did he use it? Just did the writing for him, or something else?
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Thanks Larry!
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I am finding that in writing instruction there are some worthwhile ways to use it when we articulate how, why, and most of all when we invite it into our process. If it takes away thinking and knowledge, it’s an enemy. But that’s not its only use. It can also stimulate our thinking.
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Sure,would you like to talk at some point?