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zackpolanski.bsky.social • 2 days ago

We get it.

The Tories and Labour have utterly failed.

Reform are not the answer - they will only make things even worse.

You can help right now by joining @greenparty.org.uk.

⏳ https://Join.greenparty.org.uk

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pauldstevens.bsky.social•2 days ago

You’ll first need to persuade your colleagues that taxes don’t fund government spending: their calls to “tax the rich” have merit, but not for the reasons they think. Until then, I’m not minded to support Torynomics.

https://modernmoneybasics.com

eccentricgran.bsky.social•2 days ago

What makes you think Labour have failed? They haven't been in power long enough for you to make such a statement. Tories mismanaged our country for 14 years, can't be fixed overnight, politics doesn't work like that. Everything worth doing, and doing well, takes time.

amanwithadog.bsky.social•2 days ago

Hey Zack, where I live they've merged 3 councils so there's Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole. There are a LOT of students and whilst this was a Tory stronghold it isn't any longer. We're craving Greens and need a real impetus from HQ this could become the next Green stronghold!

zackpolanski.bsky.social•2 days ago

Definitely speak to your local executive and ask them to apply for a visit!

amanwithadog.bsky.social•2 days ago

Will do.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

To ‘fund public services’?

C’mon Zack. If taxes fund spending then why should I fund things I disagree with? Why should I fund scroungers? Why should I house immigrants?

The ‘tax-to-pay-for’ myth is the most corrosive lie in common use. Undermine it - don’t spread it.

Otherwise. 👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻👍🏻

shoetownowl.bsky.social•2 days ago

David, our taxes are supposed to be the way everyone pays to run a civil society where everyone has access to what they need.

If you're worried about "scroungers", you could do worse than start with the Monarchy.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

Hi Shoe Town Owl, they are indeed - but they don’t ‘pay-for’ anything - which is the claim in Zack’s post. We pay taxes for many reasons - funding public services isn’t one of them. This misunderstanding opens the door on austerity. The ‘Owl’ in your tag suggests you know this?

eccentricgran.bsky.social•2 days ago

Where do you think your taxes go? All taxpayers money goes to pay for the things that you don't get bills for. Roads, schools, police, NHS, care homes for the elderly, refuse collection, all public services, which those in the USA get bills for. You need all these things.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

That’s what we grow up believing, because it’s what we’re told. But it’s actually not how governments spend. Did you know that our taxes are actually deleted and that all govt spending is new money, created by the act of spending? This book explains everything.

monika-uk.bsky.social•2 days ago

Do you like punching down, David? Because that's what you support.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

Hi Monika - I’m making a different point about the purpose of taxation. I support all of those things. 👍🏻

monika-uk.bsky.social•2 days ago

It wasn't clear from your comment.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

That said, the point about taxation is important. Govt spending is not limited in any way by taxation - that’s Thatcher’s big lie and the fact people believe it, has allowed successive govt’s to get away with cutting public services. They never have to ‘find the money’.

monika-uk.bsky.social•2 days ago

Printing of new money is always open to a sovereign government, but it's almost certain in the current economic situation that all of this money very quickly finds its way to billionaires pockets. Unless government taxes them to oblivion. Ordinary people spend the money quicker than it's printed.

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

I’m two whiskey’s down and trying to cook Sunday dinner. You may well be right. 😉

monika-uk.bsky.social•2 days ago

Depending on the time zone and your abilities as a cook it might too late for one and too early for the other. Or vice versa.

monika-uk.bsky.social•2 days ago

Have I misunderstood your comment?

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

I think so. 🙂

zackpolanski.bsky.social•2 days ago

You've missed out some key words of that sentence!

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

You’ve lost me.

sirkidstarversucks.bsky.social•2 days ago

How about raising taxes to only those who buy MPs clothes and glasses?

What happened to non-doms? Oh yeah, got ditched after being lobbied by the guy who bought PMs clothes and glasses. Plus being lobbied by BlackRock

It seems trickle down economics does work, by trickling to MPs

mcfab59.bsky.social•2 days ago

We all agree that taxing the rich is important for all those reasons - but the fact remains: taxes don’t fund govt spending. Linking the two give the rich power. Surprised more people don’t see that.

sirkidstarversucks.bsky.social•2 days ago

Absolute tosh

Taxing the rich who enjoy sucking up the resources and judiciary without paying for their share is why we are where we are

Until we reset the power imbalance, then we will still be in this hole and you will still think poor and middle class should pay for the rich

beeber55.bsky.social•1 day ago

It will be Green or LibDem. I am in Ms Badenoigh's constituency. I have to vote tactically

laurencec123.bsky.social•2 days ago

Meanwhile what are the greens doing? Being NIMBYs about nuclear power and HS2

illcitvirus115.bsky.social•1 day ago

No more politicians.
No more parties.
No more illusions of choice.
Burn it all down!

shieldsbrief.bsky.social•2 days ago

ok so 14 years of failure, plenty of chance to judge. But labour have been in power 6 months…

beefy1.bsky.social•2 days ago

The Greens are the elephant in the room, which Labour, in its obsession with pandering to Reform, doesn't see coming.

spsblue.bsky.social•2 days ago

Glad to have joined and met many people on the doorstep today keen to vote Green in Exeter.

zackpolanski.bsky.social•2 days ago

🙌🏼

sirkidstarversucks.bsky.social•2 days ago

This is Labour in 2015. Its who they are

IT'S WHO THEY ALWAYS WERE!!!

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