Abuelita from Coco and Abuela Madrigal from Encanto are cut from the same cloth. They're both hyper protective of their families, and that overprotective nature causes Miguel and Mirabel to act against them as a major plot point.
It's crazy to praise the former while shunning the latter.
Alma Madrigal is a victim. She is not a regular grandma.
She saw her husband being murdered and alone had to raise triplets. She defended her family and her people with everything she got.
so u wanted a run of the mill depiction where everything is mid and happy at the end.
and not a story about how the lost of a husband after a war in colombia and being left alone 2 raise triplets and a town cause a woman inflict generational trauma, because she is afraid of
And yeah i understand, still knowing the context of that civil war and being traumatized by it that it fucks over u and ur whole lineage due 2 war and being forced 2 raise triplets and not wanting 2 lose ur home and family ever again that u overcorrect 2 the extreme,makes sense in that context and
having friends who family went thru it,and knowing what it had effect wise on them i can understand mirabel grandma acting that way she did trying 2 keep that magic going so they never go thru that ever again, and i get why ppl have issue with Alma but i get the overbearing protectiveness,when u
u dont have 2 but, u should be able 2 understand what being in a civil war does 2 a psyche of a person and see why they are the way they are,
also its fine if u like kitschy disney slop where nothing bad ever happen, i personally like encanto cause it broke the mold and is less worse than the
She watched Abuelito get macheted to death, I feel like she got better once she acknowledged her unresolved trauma was making her destroy her family (hint hint boomers)
The second time Moana's grandma was like "Oh you lost the demi God? Meh go fight the 50 foot lava monster armed with just a chicken". My grandma wouldn't have done that. My Grandma loved me.
Neither of this is true. The grandma explicitly stated that she shouldn’t have put so much on Moana’s shoulders. She told her that if Moana was willing to go home that she could go. She was compassionate and kind, and understood that she put too much pressure on Moana — something that many other +
Characters who’ve had her role couldn’t and wouldn’t do the same. They’d yell at Moana and call her weak and pathetic probably and then leave. But not her grandmother. Moana came to the realisation of things by herself and changed her mind of her own accord and then went to find Maui and do her job.
so if you have a trauma, you can traumatize all your family. exclude who in your family isn't what you think is "perfect", and combine wedding with your granddaughter because yes
She let her trauma hurts her family, not protecting them from it.
her redemption arc is the main resolution to the story, the writers did not intend for her to be evil, nor is she actually evil…this is pretty apparent and Ive seen the movie once years ago
Pretty true to life tbh. My granddaddy was abusive to his kids but as soon as all but one cut him off, he turned around and was a huge source of support for me
Redemption: the act, process, or an instance of redeeming
Redeeming: serving to offset or compensate for a defect
Knowing you did something wrong. Does not offset a lifetime of emotional abuse. It's the first step. And I'm glad for her. But it doesn't undo all she did to her family.
I mean you wouldn't have a movie if she didn't make any mistakes. That's kind of the whole thing about the movie is that it's about how people are imperfect, but they still deserve love regardless
A well written villain is not the same as a good person though. 😅 💦
Again, she is in the act of redeeming herself. And that's great! And given its Disney, and there is no sequel, I'm sure she stuck to it! But in real life, this kind of person would still be a bad person.
This is a bit of a fallacious argument. Because while yes, she has seen the errors of her ways. And is choosing to change. That doesn't necessarily mean she sticks to it. (Nor does it imply she doesn't)
At the end of the day, she is a villain, redeeming herself.
Sure, but this post is implying that she’s far more evil than the rest of the characters shown in this list, and I’d argue it’s not fair to call her a bad grandparent when she comes to the realization she’s doing harm and fixes her ways for the good of her family.
I’d also argue that shes no worse than the top left, whose entire role in the first movie is condemning music and essentially disowning her grandchild for his harmless passion
Mean, she had lots on her plate running a whole town on top of all she had been through. She was in full time boss mode & made no time to relax, enjoy & appreciate all her artwork that had paid off & the competence of others. Many people put family & switching off from the grind on the backburner.
Not to take away from the scapegoating & constantly putting family to use in their allocated roles, but atleast these things were tackled & changed, something many people will never experience IRL.
Wtf is abuelita from coco doing there. She literally broke miguels guitar and made him run away and denounce his family??? She literally wasnt halfway decent till the end of the movie.
True, but I'm not gonna give her a slap on the wrist for being a well intensioned but controlling and abusive grandma just because she not on the spotlight.
Maybe we don't demonize character GROWTH. It's important to know that we're all capable of constantly learning and growing and changing, no matter our age. I love Alma. She is quintessentially *human*. She gives me hope. She is a reminder to be open and to listen to others.
She was great. She endured watching her love die the same day she gave birth to her triplets. She was cold and strong and she apologised when she realised what she was doing wasn't helping anyone. Encanto granny was grand.
It's hard not to sympathize with a woman who watched her husband be murdered in the most brutal death in a Disney film to date. Of course she panics at any possibility of losing the magic protecting them.
I actually liked the abuelita from encanto, she was one of those characters who made me yell at the screen in the beginning but cry in the end. She had to raise triplets and a town after watching her husband get murdered, that fear consumed her entire being
While she wasn’t great, she is a perfect story telling mechanic for the movie and I think people vastly overlook her. She was a mother in pain and didn’t know how to translate that through love. I love how they come together in the end and see each others hurt.
IRL Alma Madrigal is the most accurate portrayal of a latin american "abuelita" you'll find in movies. She's not mean, she's just lived enough shit for two lifetimes -- and the artists depicted that perfectly
I mean, this is wholesome and all, but Abuelita (Elena) really does not give me "good grandma" vibes, just look at her. but really, enforcing her no music rule on everyone around her, and destroying Miguel's guitar is not very "good grandma" of her.
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It's crazy to praise the former while shunning the latter.
She saw her husband being murdered and alone had to raise triplets. She defended her family and her people with everything she got.
She is an awesome character!
and not a story about how the lost of a husband after a war in colombia and being left alone 2 raise triplets and a town cause a woman inflict generational trauma, because she is afraid of
All of that aside. She singled out and attacked, belittled, and shamed only 1 of her many grandkids.
So that’s where my problem lays she was kind, loving and “familia is everything” except to 1 single person.
also its fine if u like kitschy disney slop where nothing bad ever happen, i personally like encanto cause it broke the mold and is less worse than the
Totes not the same~
"You lost the demigod? Well, do what ya gotta do. Who are ya?! You got this, despite overwhelmingly impossible odds! Now you do you!"
She let her trauma hurts her family, not protecting them from it.
It only took her entire family failing for her to look past her own nose.
Is she some megalomaniac villain? No. But did her actions directly harm others through selfishness? Absolutely, yes.
Redeeming: serving to offset or compensate for a defect
Knowing you did something wrong. Does not offset a lifetime of emotional abuse. It's the first step. And I'm glad for her. But it doesn't undo all she did to her family.
That's not redemption, that's pandering at best, if you were to apply it to REAL people in REAL life.
Yes, it made for a good story. I won't deny that, I haven't denied that. But to say she's a good person? No. She's on the path now, though.
A well written villain is not the same as a good person though. 😅 💦
Again, she is in the act of redeeming herself. And that's great! And given its Disney, and there is no sequel, I'm sure she stuck to it! But in real life, this kind of person would still be a bad person.
This is a bit of a fallacious argument. Because while yes, she has seen the errors of her ways. And is choosing to change. That doesn't necessarily mean she sticks to it. (Nor does it imply she doesn't)
At the end of the day, she is a villain, redeeming herself.
The thing people get caught up on is that in real life, these type of people don't ever realize they are wrong or work to be better.
So you don't recognize Abeula did
So it's 3 atleast!
At LEAST Alma realized she was wrong and said sorry to her grand daughter
But yeah the other one too =p
Alma took the wrong lessons from her trauma and apologized on screen during a pretty song.
Elena enforced a dumb rule that wrecked her dead and alive family's lives for something that her mother didn't care about. No apology.