Atheist here, to quote the bible to the believers - Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
You’re thinking about this wrong. A) right wingers don’t care what the document actually says, and even less what it means. B) “Christianity” is just what they call their politics.
If they did care, they would be appalled that the words "general welfare" was a widely accepted concept that referred to the HEALTH , happiness, and prosperity of ALL citizens.
The whole point of the Constitution was to create a government that was held accountable to the people. The flaw is that it relies on the honor of participants in government and of the governed, and when that fails, as it has with Trump, the whole dang opera falls apart.
Yep, the nutjobs are trying to co-op it as divinely inspired, just like everything and every holiday they celebrate, plagiarism at it's best in the name of God
"While the U.S. Constitution does not mention God, nearly all state constitutions reference either God or the divine, according to a 2017 analysis. God also appears in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance and on U.S. currency."
This is what they hold on to.
The Christo Fascist swear we are a Christina nation and yet the word "Lord" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people build a wall of separation between Church & State."
- Thomas Jefferson
Donald Trump has created a great blasphemy. The abomination of desolation is upon us now. Thank you Heritage foundation for bringing in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Jesus thank you. Now we can blow up the Earth.
Theocracy, white nationalism, faux populism, a convicted felon in the White House, and the modern GOP as Party of Family Values (Ha!Ha!) are strange bedfellows; yet, here we are.
What still baffles me is faux noose just kept repeating that "Trump is the hero of the working class" and "liberal elites don't care about the working class" over and over again. Never giving evidence, and never talking about how disastrous his first term was. Pure brainwashing.
People forget about the 30 Years War (Wars of the Reformation) and the recent religion-driven English Civil Wars. Those would have been in recent memory and an example of the corrosive effects of religion in government.
The document itself is so far “left” it’s nuts. It’s been co-opted by RWNJ for the last 50 years though, so much so, that ppl just assume it’s 100% RW. Now, there are things like the 3/5 Compromise, which we have been trying to correct from 1789. Look at the Amendments. They knew there’d be changes.
Conservatives like you typically do more than laugh. You use the violence of the state to attack people like me. That is literally what this discussion is about: Your violence.
Their main message seems to be putting
GOD back in everything, Christian values…..Yet, they don’t understand the very basics of what being a Christian even means.
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Shriner’s are Masonic they open their meetings with three holy books one is The Qur’an. Phillip The Fair moved the Vatican to France, both broke seized the Knights Templar and tortured Jacques de Moly for SEVEN YEARS and then burned him alive at the stake. And their mighty empire was lost. Know
It also starts with we the people despite being put out by a very specific subset of the people, viz white Christian land owning settler colonial males. You don’t have to write everything down, and nativists simply want to revert to that known and implied state under which things assumed to work out
Every time you refer to the constitution as some transcendent framework above and beyond what was materially contingent, and insist on maintaining historical benefits like land grab, wealth and power you’ve inherited, you enforce an unsustainable pretend game for everyone.
Most non whites cannot do that pretend game: they didn’t inherit anything, but a promise of some cut that cannot match the demand, and the supply is already wearing thin. Whites could for a while support that pretend game, but the supply wore thin for them, too. Hence the nativism: back to square 1.
"Many of the founding fathers - Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe - practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems"
We shouldn't call right-wing Republicans originalists, then, right? Originally, the president was chosen by the most popular votes and the VP by the second-most, popular votes. That's when country was more important than party, evidently?
Yeah, but it does say "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof" so what's your point? If someone doesn't follow the tenants of a religion, then they're not part of it. Don't drag Christianity through the dirt because of them.
The nincompoops want to change that for sure. (The big problem is their God isn't the one they think it is. Satan was a God too, and he can quote scripture as well, and is tricky)
This is America. Religion is a personal choice and should not be part of any government or government program. I do not care what you believe, I get angry only when you tell me how I must believe.
Hon, I'll hold your hand while I say this: I'm not religious or even American. I am only stating a fact about your Constitution. Have you not read it? The fact that you immediately jumped to conclusions and insults says more about you than me. Get over yourself.
That's... no, what are you talking about? Are you refusing to accept that the Sunday exclusion is there due to Christianity because it doesn't say in the text itself that it's there due to Christianity? Has literacy gotten that bad?
Omission of God, Jesus, and Christianity from the Constitution by intent - not accident.
Note, many Constitutions (charters) of colonies had religious requirements. Different demominations were intolerant of each other and a concern for unity.
(But the Declaration of Independence - there is God)
No choice - needed justification for challenging King of England - head of Church - God's anointed.
"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" - wrong.
In the Bible, Jesus proclaims “Give to Leaders what you Give to Leaders, and give to me what you give to me, do not praise false Idols, but pray to the one true Idol of God Himself” Paraphrasing but you get the point! Even Jesus Christ said that He is not the leader of a nation, he is a hand of god
That does read funny. Tried for sarcasm and came up a bit short. My intent was that it’s ridiculous for any religion in our government or fed documents. Sorry about that.
The people who think they’re in there have not read the Bible either. Maybe they’ve had some cherry picked passages read to them, but “my kingdom is not of this world” kinda tosses out Christian Nationalism before it even starts.
"All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” - Declaration of Independence
The majority of the architects of the constitution would more accurately be described as deists than Christians. You can have your own opinion, maga, but you can't have your own facts
I will also add this, the only times religion are ever mentioned, is when the constitution is explaining how they are not a part of government processes.
1st amendment and a clause in one of the articles explaining how religion cannot be ruling factor in tacking an oath.
Those words are cunningly included by encryption so cunning that even today's most cunning linguists and cunning AI hasn't detected them. Same for Article 3 in the Bill of Rights.
Progress and liberty are though! Also makes it clear the militia (the one in the second amendment that is always omitted) is regulated by the government.
If the GOP flips the Legislators of 7 more states, holding a 3/4 majority of 34 state Legislators. They can call the first Constitutional Convention.
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At the CC, they can rewrite the entire Constitution, absent public votes or Democrats. They can literally return us to the 1800s.
Correct, but it’s hard to deny one of the fundamental motivations behind DoI was the right to practice any faith - or none at all - without government involvement.
Sure, but the point here is that we now have a ruling faction who are making decisions based in part on a desire to implement the tenets of a very specific religious* set of morals...
And you should have a * next to “religious” because, in fact, these people ignore the basic tenets of Christianity in order to impose a “what I want” morality.
You can't find "abortion", "birthright citizenship", "gun bans", "the right to privacy", "the right to remain silent"
or "separation of church and state" either.
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This is what they hold on to.
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people build a wall of separation between Church & State."
- Thomas Jefferson
-The Treaty of Tripoli
Signed by President John Adams
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That is trying to build a nation on the ideals of the Enlightenment, but populating it with Europe's rejected religious nuts.
GOD back in everything, Christian values…..Yet, they don’t understand the very basics of what being a Christian even means.
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His long career in the god biz is only eclipsed by his equally long career boosting the right wing politicians and making a brief run for president.
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exercise thereof" so what's your point? If someone doesn't follow the tenants of a religion, then they're not part of it. Don't drag Christianity through the dirt because of them.
But we don’t teach civics anymore.
No outrage?
No outcry?
No protesting?
Note, many Constitutions (charters) of colonies had religious requirements. Different demominations were intolerant of each other and a concern for unity.
Constitution deliberately avoided that problem.
No choice - needed justification for challenging King of England - head of Church - God's anointed.
"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" - wrong.
Only one God given right. Believe or not.
But USA not new Israel under the Law. New Testament not guide for ruling country - just personal life -so not included in Constitution.
Am fond of Constitution.
Would be nice if it outlived me.
Check out the painting of Washington's first inauguration, the Masonic regalia he's wearing.
If you associate that with anything godly, rethink your belief system.
these are the laws and people who keep it legal in wisconsin
when i personally confront them about it at planned parenthood they ALL tell me that “it could still be a little younger” 😡
It is funny how people think freedom is only for them and not for others. It is nor how the world works.
Reading takes you further, comprehension will take you all the way
https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/legal-and-political-magazines/constitution-created-secular-government
"Under God" - The National Anthem
"All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” - Declaration of Independence
Constitution = religious neutrality
1st amendment and a clause in one of the articles explaining how religion cannot be ruling factor in tacking an oath.
It's the hand of god, people.
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At the CC, they can rewrite the entire Constitution, absent public votes or Democrats. They can literally return us to the 1800s.
95% of Americans have never read it
or "separation of church and state" either.