“For those looking to join dots, there is fodder from Musk’s early life with a neo-Nazi grandfather who moved from Canada to South Africa because he liked the idea of apartheid through his high school education in a system infused with white supremacy ideology.” www.theguardian.com/technology/2... - ThreadSky

tribelaw.bsky.social • 6 days ago

“For those looking to join dots, there is fodder from Musk’s early life with a neo-Nazi grandfather who moved from Canada to South Africa because he liked the idea of apartheid through his high school education in a system infused with white supremacy ideology.”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/26/elon-musk-peter-thiel-apartheid-south-africa

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smith816.bsky.social•6 days ago

Read the other day and also recommend. Helpful context for characterizing Musk and Thiel.

(The grandfather wasn’t as directly influential as implied. Likely was via the grandmother but the grandfather died when Musk was three.)

guwonder.bsky.social•6 days ago

As Elon was growing up as a kid, Musk’s father became more explicitly and increasingly pro-apartheid in his political affiliation and expressions. And then the apartheid era came to an end and democracy and diversity became a check on white supremacy and privilege.

oeishik.bsky.social•6 days ago

Professor, why are expressions of hate & harm to others constitutionally protected? I vaguely recall a reasoning but more & more I see why Germany bans certain symbols & declarations of hate.

jstephenclark.bsky.social•6 days ago

And let’s be clear what we’ve just witnessed over the past year of successful donor demands for censorship….

Hate speech is protected only when its targets are Black, brown, or queer people.

jstephenclark.bsky.social•6 days ago

Notice how nobody has a problem with exceptions allowing regulation of defamation, fraud, or threats.

Unlike hate speech, straight white men experience those speech harms and suddenly discover the capacity to make exceptions for them.

jstephenclark.bsky.social•6 days ago

The question is getting harder and harder for free speech “absolutists” to answer as they sit by and watch their principle weaponized against marginalized people just as formal equality has been.

jackfost5.bsky.social•5 days ago

Take in 2 years

jackfost5.bsky.social•5 days ago

Take 2 years

second-serveace.bsky.social•6 days ago

It blows my mind that Americans think musk is here to help them.

stevensarens.bsky.social•5 days ago

I wonder if a judge could order the US assets of Musk seized, as collateral for the future cost of restoring the damage he has done to government data and transaction systems.

dmrpolyps.bsky.social•6 days ago

But I get 5% cash back when I use my PayPal debit card for groceries.

thetimeline.bsky.social•6 days ago

Is anyone also going to dive into MUSK’S HACKERS/servers… aiding in stealing the 2024? Or, nah?

thetimeline.bsky.social•6 days ago

GREAT post, thx Laurence.

etclcsw.bsky.social•5 days ago

Reichsschatzmeister = Elon Musk and DOGE.

Untersuchungs- und Schlichtungsausschüsse = Will be set up by Pam Bondi.

Sturmabteilung = ICE, FBI, Red state National Guard

Schutzstaffel = Proud Boys, J6, military members.

Trump (Hitler) Youth = Linda McMahon and Red State Governors a d DOE.

j1swalker.bsky.social•4 days ago

What a Jerk FIRE Him

thanksihateit603.bsky.social•6 days ago

Sell your Tesla before it loses more value.

nolaslim.bsky.social•6 days ago

Anytime there is mention of Musk, that is the picture that should accompany it.

puff1ns.bsky.social•5 days ago

Similar background to trump’s family all Nazi-ideal lovers. His father taught his son well as did Musk’s.

citizenschange.bsky.social•6 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/citizenschange.bsky.social/post/3liaizaz2yc2s

davidjohnurban.bsky.social•6 days ago

Dipshit's Nazi salute was no accident.

hookcity.bsky.social•6 days ago

nazi apples don't fall too far from the tree

mprclntrlst.bsky.social•6 days ago

Just going to leave this here ICYMI

mprclntrlst.bsky.social•6 days ago

frodolove.bsky.social•6 days ago

🙀

aungard.bsky.social•6 days ago

An apartheid grandfather and a white supremacist grandfather and we get the tag team from hell in the US presidency.

slammaslamma.bsky.social•6 days ago

Establishing apartheid here in the States has always been Adolf Musk's plan. 🤬

arts-letters.bsky.social•6 days ago

Now I understand better one of M's recent "X" comments accusing someone else of generational trauma. This makes sense, if his father may have reacted to whatever trauma he (or his ancestors) may have experienced and passed this reactivity on through Elon.

anita72.bsky.social•6 days ago

Google Joshua Haldeman and check his political activities in Canada.

brianjeasley.bsky.social•6 days ago

The grandson of a neo-nazi working with the son of a kkk member to remake america into the cracked ideological visions they were taught.

ireadok.bsky.social•6 days ago

Rancid people from one of the most rancid 'cultures' in modern history.

seamlessjam.bsky.social•6 days ago

Doing the #dictatordab

egandale.bsky.social•6 days ago

Garland should be held accountable. Notice the felon and his president haven’t fired him yet. They’re like minded.

rabid-child.bsky.social•6 days ago

I was unaware that Merrick Garland was still the Attorney General. Good to know.

egandale.bsky.social•6 days ago

You are correct and I was wrong. Nonetheless I believe garland failed democracy.

boerjebrandt.bsky.social•6 days ago

Hi @Democrats.orgIn Congress, Senate and in USA.

Time for Democratic Party to reach out to Your allies around the world.

Show joint press conferences with Canada, Mexico, the EU, the UK and others with whom you want to cooperate on peace & trade i.a.

A bonus is that DonaldTrump will go crazy !

courtney01.bsky.social•6 days ago

We can't wait this out.
Trump is ruining this country.
We have to act now:
- Contribute to Dems running for office across the country. Don't just keep it local.
- Join a peaceful protest.
- Call Congress; write emails.
- Don't buy anything on Feb 28.
Do what you can!
Act today!

redrowdy.bsky.social•6 days ago

Boycott red corporate America. Shop at Costco and small local businesses you know are blue. Fight fascism with what matters. Your dollar.

ironyisdead.bsky.social•6 days ago

The massive blue state funding of red states is an invitation for CA, NY, etc. to exercise their States' Right™️. Canada can help. Kentucky is one of the states most dependent on us for exports and its two GOP senators are in a panic about counter-tariffs and boycotts.

redrowdy.bsky.social•6 days ago

Shop at Costco and small local businesses you know are blue. Fight fascism with what matters. Your dollar.
Not just one day or two days but every damn day!! Fight back!

injusticejustice.bsky.social•6 days ago

He and his bumchums should shut up ....

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every1panic.bsky.social•6 days ago

Holy
Shit

He moved to South Africa for the racism?!?

Irony being Trump’s grand dad was forced to leave Germany.

mepersuit.bsky.social•6 days ago

2025..Edwin Feulner Founder of the Heritage Foundation..Knight of Malta & in Project 2025..Apartheid’s Stratcom (Disinfo)agents viewed influential US Trump ally Edwin Feulner ‘as source https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-02-13-apartheid-stratcom-agents-trump-edwin-feulner/?dm_source=dm_block_list&dm_medium=card_link&dm_campaign=main

mepersuit.bsky.social•6 days ago

"The Cercle's founding vision encompassed the integration of a Christian-Catholic Europe, an aspiration reflected in the Cercle's personal membership and the countries represented in its early years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cercle

mepersuit.bsky.social•6 days ago

Le Cercle is a invitation-only foreign policy forum. Initially its focus was opposing communism and, in the 1970s and 1980s, supporting apartheid when the group had intimate ties with and funding from South Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Cercle

boscobuddy.bsky.social•6 days ago

This is the issue. DEI, transphobia are bright shiny objects to distract us from the real play. They playing in Fort Knox.

blayneydeborah.bsky.social•6 days ago

📌

downerdog.bsky.social•6 days ago

Also put Curtis Yarvin--the "philosopher" followed by Vance, Musk, and others in the gang--on your radar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

bryansmithblue.bsky.social•6 days ago

Fred Trump was a Nazi. He pledged alligiance to the Nazi Party an effort to return the Trump family to Germany.

They were denied because the Trumps doged war service there, too.

goodgreatokayish.bsky.social•6 days ago

📌

boldlyblue.bsky.social•6 days ago

Young Elmo 👀

picci0909.bsky.social•6 days ago

This is in AU. Read and you will find words that have come out of Elon's mouth over the last years. Horrid, world's riches Nazi.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-17/neo-nazi-extremist-intervention-radicalisation-four-corners/104930828

thenamesjane.bsky.social•6 days ago

An excellent article

https://africanstream.media/the-apple-and-the-tree-elon-musks-pro-apartheid-grandfather/

patfarren.bsky.social•6 days ago

This was on Democracy Now about the PayPal Mafia.

https://youtu.be/QAHSgVk84B0?si=CqxnKl0bS8z1mb2G

erinnthered.bsky.social•6 days ago

Not neo-Nazi. Literal Nazi. He was a member of the Nazi party in Canada during WW2. That's his mother's father.

And Musk's dad referred to Zimbabwe as Rhodesia just last fall in a podcast interview.

rose-aphrodite.bsky.social•6 days ago

That's what I thought. Elon Musk was brought up in South Africa during the time of apartheid, and has brought his values of white male supremacy to the United States, "women have no testosterone" therefore not intelligent.

aletheia777.bsky.social•6 days ago

He's not even right. Women, in fact, do have and produce some testosterone.

wendover.bsky.social•6 days ago

Interesting article. How scarily appropriate that Musk's maternal grandfather was the Canadian leader of the 1930s Technocracy Incorporated Party, years before he moved to South Africa in approval of apartheid. I can see where Curtis Yarvin got most of his insane government ideas.

coachpena.bsky.social•6 days ago

toireasaoflinn.bsky.social•6 days ago

His grandfather, was a leader in the Technocracy ideology. Canada banned Technocracy in 1933. His grandfather, Joshua Haldeman, was a follower of Hitler, & felt it worked well with Technocracy. Musk is promoting his grandfather's ideals.

tbeaumont.bsky.social•6 days ago

ericmichaelmoberg.bsky.social•6 days ago

#Fire-the-Fascist-Oligarchs

Oligarch undertaxed wealth:
💰Musk’s $402 billion
💰Zuckerberg's $252 billion
💰Bezos' $249 billion

Workers:
🛠️60% live paycheck to paycheck
🛠️ 85 million uninsured or underinsured
🛠️ 800k homeless⁰

#Fight-for-Working-Families

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-elon-musk-tour-oligarchy-2030615

ericmichaelmoberg.bsky.social•6 days ago

charlescali17.bsky.social•6 days ago

Been saying that he is a decenant of Hitler.

willie911stroker.bsky.social•5 days ago

His maternal grandfather lived in one of our Prairie Provinces which is full of right-wing nut jobs.

My mother was raised Mennonite and grew up in Winnipeg as her German parents moved to Canada to avoid the Second World War.

willie911stroker.bsky.social•5 days ago

Our Western Prairie Provinces are like your southern states; religious and mean.

tink51.bsky.social•6 days ago

Laurence, thanks for posting this. I think we need to drag Musk's racist upbringing/background into the light of day. It helps explain a lot.

lewis-kilgo.bsky.social•6 days ago

What I found amusing in the end is that Musk came to the American continent because he's a South African draft dodger.

kjustin1966.bsky.social•6 days ago

Thanks for amplifying our citizen efforts to fight this lawless administrations. You are one of the few big guys who actually have done so. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/16/nx-s1-5297117/50501-movement-presidents-day-protests-explainer

jobycatjville.bsky.social•6 days ago

He is a criminal just like Hitler. Unlike Hitler he has escaped prison so far. He must be stopped at all costs.

stevnimer.bsky.social•5 days ago

I did extensive research & agree!
That combined w/musk's feelings of entitlement, he obviously felt threatened by the destruction of apartheid, & seemingly inherited grandpa's naziism & love for autocratics!
He apparently blames the USA & Americans.
Now he is trying to destroy the US & allies!

brooklynjt.bsky.social•6 days ago

His access bothers me, his ideology is expected. But Vance telling Germany to embrace AfD is stunning and patriotically embarrassing.

How does the US recover from its love affair with fascism?

Does MAGA realize yet that they were played?

bluejwoo.bsky.social•6 days ago

I think that most MAGAts are okay with being played, and definitely okay with this ideology.

krestenrasmusse.bsky.social•6 days ago

The US seems to be morally bankrupt.

Coming back from threatening everyone including long term allies, will not be easy.

studentsdemocracy.bsky.social•6 days ago

Meg·a·lo·ma·ni·ac
/ˌmeɡ(ə)lōˈmānēˌak/

noun

1. a person who is obsessed with their own power.

sealblue.bsky.social•6 days ago

maye musk: "spare the rod, spoil the child" is BUNK

pragmatic-vegan.bsky.social•6 days ago

And we have these here too. Huh. Funny how cameras work these days.

kingfisher2025.bsky.social•6 days ago

Play the video.

lmhinh.bsky.social•6 days ago

Just block the dishonest

greathands4you.bsky.social•5 days ago

And does Elon Musk really want is children to follow in his past?

lanforddaniels.bsky.social•6 days ago

Musk is a Nazi, Zuckerberg is a cyborg, Bezos is a soulless ghoul, Trump is a useful idiot.

stt16.bsky.social•6 days ago

Professor Tribe,

The MAGA movement are abandoning the Constitution and are expecting us to continue to handicap ourselves with it.

It is time to begin exploring options to appeal to America’s allies to denounce the 47th Administration as illegitimate.

sjylkka.bsky.social•6 days ago

1. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/elon-musk-doge-neo-apartheid/

2. https://www.thenation.com/article/society/tesla-racism-sexual-harassment/

aletheia777.bsky.social•6 days ago

😳

donthecon-2.bsky.social•6 days ago

That’s why I stopped using PayPal about 6-7 years ago-I rather use a CC or Apple Pay- Even much Easier today to avoid using PayPal-Thiel sold his interest for cash&shares which he still profits from-He rolls those share profits over into a Roth IRA-47 has long held shares in Raytheon&likes BIG bombs

mbltc.bsky.social•6 days ago

This article is worth reading.

idummkopp.bsky.social•6 days ago

gmanv001.bsky.social•6 days ago

A political fanatic has hijacked our nation and our useful idiot president has no fucking clue.

sundeak.bsky.social•6 days ago

Now that changing borders is squarely within the Overton Window, it's time to embrace and join the CALEXIT movement. California can inherit the freedoms of the former United States and break fully from the National Socialist regime in Washington DC. The feckless dems are not up to fighting fascists.

doodlehedz.bsky.social•6 days ago

Illegal south african immigrant nearly threw his whole back out throwing that nazi salute so hard he needed the white mans overbite.

So tell me Lawrence on a scale of fucked to fucktastrophe how bad is it really?

austinrock.bsky.social•6 days ago

You could hear the satisfaction when he did it too.

txstbobcat.bsky.social•6 days ago

For those still on the platform X, it’s beginning to look the same as if you buy a Tesla.

lmhinh.bsky.social•6 days ago

Don’t let him off the hook when he denies supporting apartheid or Nazi’s. More subtle lesson here:

“We all [white South Africans], by the very nature of our privileges and our place in the racial hierarchy, grew up believing we were the master race, even if we didn’t actively think about it”

alb260158.bsky.social•6 days ago

C'est mec se pensent être la race supérieure en réalité ils sont des vertus de la nature ou des mycoses.

rocinante1.bsky.social•6 days ago

Dots connected. Musk is a dangerous and deluded psychopath regardless of his upbringing, with few interpersonal skills and who equates material wealth with superiority, just like Tr***. He needs to be contained and squelched.

caremeterzero.bsky.social•6 days ago

Now I must boycott #PayPal too. My list is getting longer every day. I am unable to march and protest so making phone calls and boycotting is something I can do to #resist. I don't know how I missed that PayPal was a major donor to Trump until I read this article.

chasing-clarity.bsky.social•5 days ago

Privileged origins? Check. Apartheid upbringing? Check. Dots connected.

Apple doesn’t fall far from the apartheid.

spiceyhag.bsky.social•6 days ago

My God this is sick.

mockingjaysongs.bsky.social•6 days ago

Yes, and to see the larger TechCoup, one must connect the dots to geopolitics as well. Musk is not pulling this off alone

https://bsky.app/profile/mockingjaysongs.bsky.social/post/3liaemw4ebk2f

javonrut.bsky.social•6 days ago

You hit the nail on the hat. But Canada will not give up its freedom without fighting "like hell"🇨🇦

mockingjaysongs.bsky.social•6 days ago

Give ‘em hell. The sane half of the U.S. supports Canada 🇨🇦

I found this article fascinating on U.S. military might vs. Canadian commitment to its values

Hadn’t thought about this “insurgency” angle, but I can see it 💯

https://bsky.app/profile/mockingjaysongs.bsky.social/post/3lickkbzpys2r

hrhacl.bsky.social•6 days ago

For societies that were structured around venerating the white males, they sure created fragile egos.

flick131.bsky.social•6 days ago

Errol Musk talks about Elon's maternal grandparents, who were members of the Nazi party in Canada and later moved to South Africa because they supported the Apartheid regime

https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/02/05/musk-grandparents-nazi-party/

flick131.bsky.social•6 days ago

houlmont.bsky.social•6 days ago

As racist as Errol Musk is, even he found his father-in-law insufferable. Errol Musk still spreads slurs that Obama is gay and Michelle is a man.

houlmont.bsky.social•6 days ago

Musk's father reportedly avoided his neo-Nazi father-in-law. Considering how racist Errol Musk is, it's obviously a sick family. Errol Musk married his own stepdaughter after divorcing his second wife, and spreads hateful lies about Obama. https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/barack-obama-is-queer-married-to-a-man-michelle-obama-elon-musks-father-errol-musks-bizarre-claim-7716293

gingextonic.bsky.social•6 days ago

I don’t think he married her. Had two children with her, insisted on DNA tests. And he became her stepfather when she was 4! He sounds a treat. (Shudder).

deportelon.bsky.social•6 days ago

Walter Isaacson wasn’t super interested in this part of the analysis in his puff piece.

sordf1sh.bsky.social•6 days ago

Nazis !

mphamner.bsky.social•6 days ago

I believe that Musk is very much imbued with values from his childhood. We all are. We also tend to get a bit more conservative as we age. It seems that this combination can cause radical shifts in some of us, Musk, Trump, others? It helps to understand. But what can we do with that understanding?

ad108.bsky.social•6 days ago

I am not surprised in the least.

civil4liberties.bsky.social•6 days ago

Who Is a good competitor of PayPal? After reading this article I want to cancel my account. There ARE companies known as “Benefit corporations”. Profit is not their only goal. Part of their Mission Statement is also making a positive impact on society.

seanofthesea.bsky.social•6 days ago

Oh, I thought Musk was at an Auction bidding 5 million dollars for a piece of Nazi Art.

michael-iger.bsky.social•6 days ago

Trump's close association with Musk speaks volumes to the danger all our citizens are in from these two. Each one thinks he's using the other, while both are using us.

nobodysanything.bsky.social•6 days ago

Elon is a pathological liar.

https://bsky.app/profile/nobodysanything.bsky.social/post/3libwplocdk2l

edgegrrl.bsky.social•6 days ago

Paywall. Can someone post a gift link please?

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