If sendou ink had a "comp analyzer" (input 4 weapons, get info out) what kind of info would you like to see? Also does anyone know if there exists a list of ranges per weapon 🤔 - ThreadSky

sendou.ink • 99 days ago

If sendou ink had a "comp analyzer" (input 4 weapons, get info out) what kind of info would you like to see?

Also does anyone know if there exists a list of ranges per weapon 🤔

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zeldrake.bsky.social•99 days ago

you gotta include something silly like "splatfest synergy bonus"

hfcred.dev•99 days ago

Range as in matchmaking range or projectile range?

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Latter but do you have the lists of former somewhere? Could be interesting in some ways maybe

microwavefanfic.bsky.social•99 days ago

matchmaking ranges are listed in https://leanny.github.io/splat3/database.html as a table

hfcred.dev•99 days ago

Matchmaking range can be found here
https://github.com/Leanny/splat3/blob/main/data/mush/920/WeaponInfoMain.json
in the field "Range".
So for Wiper (id 8010) it would be 13.0

Physical range you can find here (wiper)
https://github.com/Leanny/splat3/blob/main/data/parameter/920/weapon/WeaponSaberLite.game__GameParameterTable.json
Including hitbox and paint size/distance/falloff, etc. So you could calculate range and paint accurately.

acect.xyz•99 days ago

max RM dps, max/average pps, and average range could be nice!

also while im here, the damage calculator has been broken in light theme for a while now

sendou.ink•99 days ago

thanks for letting me know! will take a look

xevaji.bsky.social•99 days ago

Exceptional Weapon Pairings. and a brief explanation of why they work, such as Stamp + Duallies, Tent + Sharks, Inkbrush + Tetras, BP + Short Range etc

(Many of these are not intuitive, hence an explanation of *why* they work would also be nice and super useful~)

xvstar.bsky.social•99 days ago

I don't have a numerical list of ranges but I did make this doc a while ago and just updated it for the new Splattershot range. Not sure if this'll actually be all that helpful but if it's of use I'm happy to help :3

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FA8cg7Y6BAspAuHn4FVg0e7yhKoDkgPf4m6VX1mkigE/edit?usp=sharing

xvstar.bsky.social•99 days ago

I was just sent this and it's way more useful lmao

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nwuHQfBPCzV2FglB_9lGwPoZqWkrSqG78WBqn3Tfx80

pikadave465.bsky.social•99 days ago

Do you know who made this? I've had a personal project of something like this for quite a while but a lack of access to some parameters on how falloff is handled especially kept me from ever calculating range with confidence so I'd love to know how they got this and figured it out

xvstar.bsky.social•99 days ago

yea from what i can tell joy is right, it was Centritide

joythedatanerd.bsky.social•99 days ago

Centritide did, iirc

pkfuzzy.bsky.social•99 days ago

I’ve been using this as a reference but unfortunately it’s from march 2024 so it might be missing weapons and squeezer nerf.

it would be nice to see a range count, weapon type and sub/special count… but that seems quite basic to understand already

titaniumtogekiss.bsky.social•99 days ago

i do wish this the person that made this updated it was so peak

davesies.bsky.social•99 days ago

This is awesome! I saw the v1 of this back when the game came out but I didn’t know someone was updating it. What’s the source? A JP discord or is there someone I should be following on here that I’m not?

pkfuzzy.bsky.social•99 days ago

Nah I randomly came across it on Twitter and haven’t seen an updated version :(

korenelus.bsky.social•99 days ago

Ooh ooh ooh I got some
-Damage combos
-Notable teams that have ran it, and maybe what sets
-Playstyle suggestions(?) (I dont know if that's possible)
W idea holy sendou you're cooking

aj-moment.bsky.social•99 days ago

IDK how doable this would be, but if it showed you results of teams that used the same (or possibly similar) comps in tournaments and how they did with it.

timoth.bsky.social•99 days ago

Paint output
Damage/Combo Potential
Speed
Best suited to playing the objective or displaying possible roles certain weapons can take would be intresting I think,

0rka.bsky.social•98 days ago

To add “warnings” for something like this feels like a slippery slope to me, but I love the idea in general!

goombasinastack.bsky.social•99 days ago

i'd also list damage value ranges for each weapon! example:

Splatana Stamper (35-70)
Slosher (50-70)
Dread Wringer (42-48)
Custom Dualie Squelchers (28)

Subs: Burst, Splat, Suction, Beakon
Specials: Zipcast, Tristrike, Slider, Chumps

-No Cooler
-Low combo value (CDS)
+Lethal bombs

goombasinastack.bsky.social•99 days ago

actually probably commas for discrete damage values

Stamper (35, 55; 70, 140)
horiz far, horiz near; vert far, vert near

Slosher (50-70)
minimum-maximum

Glooga Dualies (36, 52.5)
standard, turret

Splat Charger (40-80, 160)
tap range, charge value

Flingza (40-150, 30-150, 125)
vert, horiz, roll

pinkpuffypastry.bsky.social•99 days ago

Custom Titles for what kind of Comp Style it becomes would be cool!

Like inputting Pen - vDualie - vStamper - Jr would be “Dive”,

and then switching the Dualie - Stamper for Tetra + Mint would be “Tetra Dive”

It could then link to guides on how to play Dive (like mine and ProChara’s!)

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

I think prescriptive stuff like that is better left to commentators and analysits, how a comp is played determines what it is way more than the weapons on it due to the nature of gear + the varied approaches this game has (like a dualie running SCU LDE would play way different role to one with QR)

pinkpuffypastry.bsky.social•99 days ago

Yeah! the style of the comp depends a lot on the individual players

Just I think adding any kind of information about how to play the comp would be better than just “this comp doesn’t have a bomb” or “this comp runs at people”

And these resources could give players a launching off point :D

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

I just think a tool like this is better left as objective and matter of fact as possible, its there to provide concise data, its on the user to make use of that info to make better choices. It shouldnt even tell you "this comp runs at people", it should be "this comp has a tetra dualie and 2 bombs"

pinkpuffypastry.bsky.social•99 days ago

Ahh I get that, keeping it as matter of fact as possible to minimize errors

I’m not really sure what it could teach then that’s not just revealed on the weapon screen

Things like Win Rate tracking would be good to keep in mind just it’d be on a weapon-by-weapon basis

Do you have ideas?

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

I think having a place with all 4 weapons and their kits laid out before you is already really helpful, but additional stats like weapon ranges, rm dps per weapon and per comp, max and min damage numbers and more would be even more helpful

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

to better put it, it should tell you what the comp has, not how it should be played

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

Though i think links to learn about this stuff should be available on the site, it'd be a good addition. The links section could really use some love

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Re: link section very rarely I get links from people for me to add there :( So I have deprioritised it quite a bit. But idk how much of it is a chicken/egg problem

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

Is there a way for users to suggest links? If there is making that known would help out i feel

sendou.ink•99 days ago

I could add that to the site it's true but feedback channel on my Discord is good as is pull request on GitHub 👍

brikspl.bsky.social•99 days ago

What about listing the weapons strengths and weakness's for the meta weapons or something?

that sounds like alot of work but would help tons

asheevee.bsky.social•99 days ago

ranges are pretty iffy on a lot of things, it's hard to really make a definitive list
best i can think of is using where the reticle is placed (which i do have a list for), but that leaves out rollers/brushes, and then buckets/bows can hit farther than the reticle easily

asheevee.bsky.social•99 days ago

rollers i could use the max range for a 1 shot vertical (2/3/4 shot on brushes)
buckets and bows i could use the range at which the farthest bullet hits the ground when aiming straight
and then blob, well, i guess where the blobs expire when shooting straight?
it's all weird and complicated

iceserilly.bsky.social•91 days ago

definitely a metric on overall comp paint output

cyrii.bsky.social•99 days ago

recent tournament results with similar comps maybe?

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Yeah I could see to allow inputting comp data to tournaments (particularly top cuts) then somehow connecting that to VoDs (and replay codes)

VoDs are possible day 1 of course.

Then for the hypothetical comp analyzer it could list you stuff that is exact match or 3x match or 2x match.

shads42.bsky.social•99 days ago

potential "win conditions"/stuff the comp excels at:

ie: an explo, blaster, a rain weapon, and a burst bomb weapon might cause an output of "heavy chip damage", or a pencil/nsplash/shot core might output "high paint"

davesies.bsky.social•99 days ago

A really neat feature (suggested by my teammate) I would like to see would be you input 3 weapons and it suggests a 4th weapon, could be useful for teams trying to figure out what to use to fill out their team.

joythedatanerd.bsky.social•98 days ago

This would be pretty complex to write. I could do it in theory, but theres no (public) dataset of competitive matches to build a model to learn comp associations for this.

davesies.bsky.social•98 days ago

Haha yeah just throwing out ideas. Believe me I understand it’s a lot easier to suggest something than actually implement it.

xarrotd.bsky.social•99 days ago

I know someone had a spreadsheet of weapon ranges, let me ask them

xarrotd.bsky.social•99 days ago

shoutouts to centritide for this
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nwuHQfBPCzV2FglB_9lGwPoZqWkrSqG78WBqn3Tfx80

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Some ideas:

- table of sub/specials & alts (if you switch kits while keeping same main weapons what is reachable)
- distance bar graph
- ""meta score"" based on Takoroka Top 500 results per mode
- "warnings" e.g. if you are lacking a bomb and explain why it could be a problem
- dmg combo table

big-g-splatoon.bsky.social•97 days ago

A damage combo table would be really helpful. If there is a meta score please base it on sendouq weapon picks or tournament weapon picks rather than top 500 because solo que is much different than comp.

davesies.bsky.social•99 days ago

Some metadata that would be nice to have would be “paint output” to help gauge how well your comp paints and maybe point out issues where you need to add more paint to help weapons that can’t paint well.

xarrotd.bsky.social•99 days ago

there's a lot of subjectivity in some of these things but I think the idea is cool

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Hmm in which part specifically?

xarrotd.bsky.social•99 days ago

Warnings and meta score primarily, I think meta score is not a great idea bc soloq is very different to organized comp. Warnings for basic stuff could be alright though

sendou.ink•99 days ago

I think it's just one data point. I agree comp is different from solo but not like there is 0 correlation. Warnings to me are more ways to raise potential problems with the comp and explain why (for example why is not having a bomb problem? you might decide ok for our case we don't care)

tessaract.gay•99 days ago

I'd lean towards warnings like duplicate utility subs (beakons, sensors, etc) or maybe having too little paint (like picking 4 range blasters).

A measure of "meta-ness" feels like it might push ppl to experiment less? I'd rather encourage critical thinking when building comps.

joythedatanerd.bsky.social•99 days ago

You could potentially use my skill offset measure for the “meta score” you’re considering as a starting point, though it would probably need complex logic if you want to aggregate for a comp. I have an endpoint that updates every hour at https://splat.top/api/skill_offset

reedmatchaspl.bsky.social•98 days ago

I love this idea. I was planning to build a light version of this in sheets for the weps in my team pool. Was going to include dmg, bomb pressure, aoe pressure, range, retake ease, etc. and have it so that when you plug in a comp, it would output those on a 1-10 scale and color the attributes.

mecog.bsky.social•98 days ago

Here's pikadaves spreadsheet that has every weapons range values. It also has a lot more stuff and it's updated to the current patch I believe https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uUIEmHaZTRc-hXdnSlu_zJoeTrlLbF2OTBnc3Ix5nAw/edit?usp=drivesdk

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

another idea is to have a screen displaying max or min damage values per weapon, be it main sub or special (with multiple values for different attacks if necessary) and clicking on it would highlight what other damage values it combos with (say in green 1 hit, orange 2 hits, red 3+)

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

very messy but this is how i imagine it could look

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

def a summary of subs, a summary of specials like x number of specials that paint or y number of specials that deal damage would also be helpful i think. Maybe per weapon and total dps to the rm shield would be helpful too

sendou.ink•99 days ago

Yeah I like that! Just need to think of good categories.

Do you know if RM dps is already calculated somewhere?

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

Nope, but if the info isn't out there i could make a table with the necessary data once i have the free time for that

a-bog-hag.bsky.social•99 days ago

i was thinking of making a "comp generator" a while back so i have a lot of ideas for that kind of thing lmao

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