I hope that they are all aware that they can still file for unemployment, even if they resign. The standard is more difficult, but basically boils down to a judicial hearing, and whether a "reasonable person" would feel their employer was so out of line that they had to leave. Every one should file.
I'm fully eligible to retire and I'm doing it the right way. I would not feel right taking pay for months without working. That's waste. I won't play games with my retirement i do not trust any of these people at the top now.
Second this, and I hope their union (those who are represented, anyway) is telling them this too. Lots of white-collar workers are weird about entering the UI process because classism, but why on Earth wouldn't you under these circumstances?
Usually, these types of agreements include a clause that they will not challenge an unemployment claim. However, I wouldn't trust this administration. Also, I believe the decision for who receives it ultimately lies with the individual state.
They can look for other jobs they cannot accept a job until the day after the agreement ends. But that's the rub. No unemployment benefits because they were given severance. Even if they weren't paid severance they're considered full-time employees on administrative leave.
Have y’all been paying attention? Be assured the DJT administration will fight tooth & nail any attempts to give UI to people who voluntarily quit. First, all of them will have been deemed “disloyal.” He’ll try to grind them to the ground. Look at his MO.
Either way, unless the employees are die-hard MAGA loyalists, they are being offered a “no-win” proposition!! Depending on their ages, skills, and marketability, they may want to hit the job market before all of the other DJT casualties do. If eligible, retirement might be their most viable option.
Correct; of course, the communication for employees fails to mention that anyone who resigns (i.e., “voluntarily quits”) their job is ineligible to apply for U/I. Many people might not think about that, given the highly stressful circumstances in the federal government at this time.
Yes, but in the event that they are unable to find another job during that period, they will be unable to apply for unemployment. These are two separate matters. A glut of folks suddenly in the job market will surely mean not everyone finds a new job in 8 months. Especially the older folks.
Am I right in thinking that the actual work that these people complete will still be there to be done, but no one there to do it? There was a recruitment drive amongst Magats last year to replace these people, wasn’t there?
Anybody could have gone for a job that was on https://usajobs.gov. they had to meet the requirements in order for them to even get the positions and most people didn't get those positions. Hiring has been pretty much the same nothing has changed. They want change this year. Hiring freeze.
So the work still exists, the original employee is getting severance but is on leave & there will be an untrained, inexperienced person put in the role who will be paid a salary but because they’re a Magats, that’s ok? Sounds very expensive 🤷♀️
Such BS, they accept the money they can't get unemployment so when they still can't find a job and the money is gone, they'll have to take a job as a greeter at Walmart for minimum wage. Thus, creating more working poor from career civil servants. He is CREATING A NEW CLASS OF WORKING POOR!
Yup. I hope not one of them takes him up on that offer. We know he never pays what he tells people he will if at all! He can't be trusted. Get a lawyer file a lawsuit!!
Oh I know somebody right now that would take him up on the offer. She's retiring anyways. She would just be on an administrator to leave until September. And then she'll retire.
Could she actually get retirement if she took the offer? I don't trust any of this. People need to be wary, and he's a liar. I would worry that it would get pulled out from underneath me if i were in that situation. Nothing is EVER as good or as simple as it appears with TFG.
If she trusts him. Other reports are that it's not a buyout, you can work from home until September, the resign, that there actually isn't administrative leave.
Ummm…. If she takes the offer (and by doing so is placed on administrative leave) she is agreeing to “resign” so I don’t see how at the end of her admin leave she could then just retire. Wouldn’t that prompt them to fight her “retirement benefits” by saying that she “resigned” so she isn’t eligible?
Are these government jobs with a pension that people are resigning from? Have Americans lost their minds. And does Trump either want employees with loyalty or employee salaries going to relieve billionaire taxes ?
I'm sure this is part of how Dump intends to replace the immigrants he's booting out of the country. Make enough of them desperate for work, and some poor former office workers are going to end up working farms...
Basically everyone over 50 becomes and Uber driver, instacart shopper, or Doordasher. An already over saturated space. The truly desperate will, as you say, become Walmart greeters. That group will skew older and more female, IMO.
One can voluntarily quit/resign and receive severance and still qualify for unemployment benefits. It's not a guarantee but, if one shows just cause to quit, you could still qualify. I work for a state unemployment agency.
This brings up one of my thoughts. With all the people layed off, will we even know the effect of total unemployment numbers or will that info not be allowed to be released. I guess they could take all the wonderful jobs the immigrants have " stolen".
We will never see another accurate report about ANYTHING related to our government. We are officially in a dictatorship. I will never understand what people thought was going to happen. WE ARE SCREWED.
It seems that there are a lot of people who’ve never been laid off or received severance. You can receive severance and file immediately for unemployment. You cannot file if you are still employed (admin leave). You usually do not qualify at separation if you RESIGN.
And if they are on administrative leave then they are still employed by the govt, which means they most likely cannot get another full time job until their termination from their govt job.
Unemployment rules can vary state to state, but in CA yes - if you’re laid off you can file for unemployment immediately and are eligible for UI payments after 1 week. Severance is not considered “income” for the purposes of offsetting UI payments - it stacks.
in Arizona you can be denied unemployment if you receive severance - last time I got laid off I received ~$4000 in severance and was denied unemployment
Is that only if they give you severance in one chunk or if you get it paid out over the severance period. My husband was just laid off and has 19 weeks but we thought no unemployment because he will paid every two weeks. As well if he gets any job at all it ends.
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They can look for other jobs they cannot accept a job until the day after the agreement ends. But that's the rub. No unemployment benefits because they were given severance. Even if they weren't paid severance they're considered full-time employees on administrative leave.
The money that they would possibly get on administrative leave... Would negate getting unemployment.
Anybody could have gone for a job that was on https://usajobs.gov. they had to meet the requirements in order for them to even get the positions and most people didn't get those positions. Hiring has been pretty much the same nothing has changed. They want change this year. Hiring freeze.
Nobody should take this deal.
That's the idea.
This is Neo-feudalism.