And I never said to remove the video, only to put a CW on it so people who are minding their own business aren't suddenly slammed in the face with nearly 70 deaths.
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He asked for a content warning not censorship. That video when considering how many people died is beyond tragic and distressing. Go somewhere else with the conspiracy mentality.
The CWs built into Bluesky should give you a gray banner that you have to click through to see the content. I know that's how it works for porn, I hope that's how it works for violence.
Thank you 😂 I was just going to say that. Dude would be the guy who burns is mouth on a coffee that says “caution: hot” and complain saying “but it needs to as how hot it is!” 🤡
If we waited for Boeing to confirm it first, we'd still be waiting for the previous 2 to be confirmed. Don't expect the various regulators to do so in a hurry either.
Sure, the one in Korea blew up because of the wall, but why did it have to do a belly landing in the 1st place?
Current theories are bird strike knocking out 1 or both engines, which took out primary and back up systems for the hydraulics and landing gear deployment, and the possibility that smoke was filling the cabin so they had to put it down sooner instead of shedding off more speed. All just theories.
I don’t see any flaps/slats. Floated in ground effect/low-drag configuration? 1500’ remaining and still moving quickly. Didn’t look real to me at first
It would take multiple system failures to have to land in that configuration. Flaps have electrical backup, and gear has manual extension. Not sure why you would land like this
the nose gear was down, but not the rear wheels. I tried to research placement of hydraulic pumps in boeing, and I am not versed in these things.. I keep thinking about other bird strike incidents...
...Do you have any hypotheses for what happened that you're willing to share? (I understand if you don't.) I have no relevant expertise, but was immediately shocked at a belly landing going so disastrously wrong.
It just looks & sounds like the plane tried to land while still configured for flight?
That’s the localizer antenna installation. It provides the left/right guidance portion of the ILS. It may have had to be elevated due to site requirements
I thought the same thing. I would have least expected the nose to drop. It never did. Almost like the pilot was holding it up and engines still generating thrust.
That's exactly what I said. You know that pilot would have immediately killed that and got that nose down to help it slow down. I'm saying, the Korean authorities will never say it but this was probably a terror attack by the pilot. They're never going to reveal that
I don’t think that is a valid conclusion. The engine nacelles supported the forward part of the fuselage such that the nose didn’t touch. The elevators wouldn’t have enough authority to overcome that, especially if there were hydraulic issues
Okay I get that about the nose. But why so much speed? Why did they touch down so late on that runway? Couldn't the pilots have dragged that speed far far further downwards and made contact a thousand meters earlier? Maybe aim towards the dirt off the side of the runway? I don't know. Perplexing
But how do you get massive hydraulic issues from a supposed bird strike. There's a still photo of the right engine just popping out with smoke. Didn't look like a bird strike. The smoke and the flame burst from the video from the ground looks like a engine burst? Would that be enough to take out?
Almost as if the pilot thought he could abort the landing and continue up and circle to figure out what to do again? But why wouldn't he once he had impact, why wouldn't he just kill those engines and use reverse thrust on the one remaining engine? Nothing of that happened
Bird strike? Gear should be down 10 NM prior to threshold, and if it ain't, you have plenty of time to lower it by gravitational force. If it was bird strike on short final, the gear should have been down forever already. Also, plane reported hydraulics problems recently. Bird strike???
Probably because that airport doesn't take those much larger planes? It's for mainly smaller planes less airspeed? I don't know. But you're right they should have opted for the airport with the much longer Runway. That plane looks like it was still on speed all the way down that skid?
I don't know there's experts in here that would probably say whether that would have helped? I'm just saying look at the speed like he never killed the motors or used reverse Thruster on the remaining engine? The nose didn't even come down? Why were they not slowing Big Time on approach?
Showing the moment when people actually died is disrespectful and amounts to mass media rubber-necking. This intrusive coverage is a titillation that we should resist, if we are to remain civilised and dignify those poor people lost.
Only nose gear down. Maybe due to problems with engine out from possible bird strike. Pilot landed straight on belly, ran out of room hitting barrier at end of runway
I mean there's always going to be a wall since it's an airport, but looking on maps, this isn't the perimeter wall, it seems to be a giant slab structure in the middle of the approach lights at the south end of the runway. I'd guess it's part of an approach radar set up but not certain.
It’s the instrument landing system (ILS) locator. You can see the antenna array on top of the mound which has been built around the foundation for the ILS.
Usually yes but for some reason Muan airport has a giant perimeter wall like it's a military base, this is the google street view from just beyond the crash site.
This mound hides the concrete foundation for the instrument landing system (ILS). You can see the concrete foundation and parts of the antenna array in this photo.
I agree. Showing the moment when people died is disrespectful and amounts to mass media rubber-necking. This intrusive coverage is a titillation that we should resist, if we are to remain civilised and dignify those poor people lost.
Same thing happened to Sully with the Hudson river landing. Multiple bird strikes took out both engines and all the flight controls froze. No flaps, no landing gear deployment.
I think there were a few things wrong before the wall...
Flaps and spoilers help to slow the plane, they weren't used. Then there's the thing with the wheels...
Ground effect and concrete are a problem. Better to try the grass.
Big jets are supposed to be able to land on their bellies without gear so the problem here is the wall at the end of the runway. I was on a flight that had a similar gear failure, and the plan was to land on the grass next to the runway, but then we managed to get the gear down.
On top of that, over in the r/flying subreddit, 737 typed pilots are saying there is an alternate gear release and an alternate flap release and the crew elected to use none of those items… leading to touching down in the latter half of the runway with no speed scrubbed off
If that's the case, we probably just witnessed the most incompetent landing/airmanship in the history of mankind. Also not diverting to a rwy that is 60% longer just 20 minutes away? The regulations mandate enough fuel for that anyways.
I’m seeing comments around a bird strike was spotted and the airport is near a bird sanctuary? Whether it was a bird or not, it blows my mind birds can take down these planes.
The one av herald comment suggested the plane was in the process of executing a go around after a bird strike took out engine 1 and engine 2 flamed out. They had the speed, gear was up and nose pitched up... I can buy it, but I think this is going to be more pilot related than mechanical
They’re awake and controlling the airplane into that crash. I think it was just bird strike led to engine loss led to bad decision led to bad decision led to that. There are rumors that South Korean airmanship isn’t the best, but it’s a rumor.
the runway is nearly 3km long and they were still going extremely fast, the embankment collision is obviously horrific but i dont think it being able to slide for another few hundred metres before hitting something else was going to help
Very true but it certainly wouldn't cause complete landing gear failure along with no flaps or slats deployed.
That plane didn't even slow.
Same plane yesterday apparently diverted to Seoul after declaring an emergency.
If true, something seriously went wrong near landing.
Interestingly enough, this is the only thing I've read today that remotely makes sense in terms of the nose attitude, configuration and speed. It's gonna be interesting to see, if you were spot on on this + the error of turning off the wrong engine.
Correct. Why would it ever be at speed like that? Why would he ever try to touch down, knowing they still had one engine left that's plenty of power in that type of airplane to keep going and do a proper Landing with manual gear down and flaps? This thing was a terror attack, I can feel it
I'll definitely give you that it seems that it's a high speed landing far beyond the touchdown zone, and the concrete wall at the end of rwy didn't add to the overall passenger experience.
They say they have two survivors they were crew members way in the very back. I'm sure they'll be able to talk about what was being transmitted by the pilot crew? Whether that was a bird strike or a small drone hitting that engine. Still shouldn't have mattered
And don't forget all of these so-called sincere apologies for a plane that probably should have been grounded. There are indications that they had maintenance issues just prior? Why did they allow This Plane back in the air?
It will probably be next to impossible to get that information. Truthful information from the Korean authorities. I just know how they act with the public. This is a very secretive people, especially their government. Could be a long long wait
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And I never said to remove the video, only to put a CW on it so people who are minding their own business aren't suddenly slammed in the face with nearly 70 deaths.
Hmmm
Yeah, there been couple of incidents with new max 737, but this one is definitely different
No need to call for wolf if you don't see one, wait to confirm first
Sure, the one in Korea blew up because of the wall, but why did it have to do a belly landing in the 1st place?
Other questions not Boeing - it flew for 15 years just fine
KLM case showcases how it should ended in Korea, when hydraulic systems fail, that airplane overrun, but still landed on landing gear.
Canada one is not Boeing
It just looks & sounds like the plane tried to land while still configured for flight?
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1) why not divert to Inchon, that has 13K feet rwy vs 8K feet rwy in Muan, and is just 20 minutes away
2) why didn't the crew deploy the gear free fall mechanism, which is independent of the hydraulics
3) who tf builds a concrete wall at the end of a short rwy
What about the landing gear?
Terrible
A gear up landing should be relatively safe.
Poor people
It wasn't fair of me, but there just used to be so many "thoughts and prayers"-comments under such news a few years ago, I could vomit. I apologize.
Imo, whoever designed that should face charges.
Flaps and spoilers help to slow the plane, they weren't used. Then there's the thing with the wheels...
Ground effect and concrete are a problem. Better to try the grass.
That plane didn't even slow.
Same plane yesterday apparently diverted to Seoul after declaring an emergency.
If true, something seriously went wrong near landing.
Can't wait for the report on that one.
Whatever the cause for the crash landing, they did manage to land and sure seems it was the collision that caused the tragic end.
Heartbreaking nightmare loss of life. #JejuAir