When we hear that Russia and Ukraine need to just reach an agreement - as if Ukraine is as much to blame for the war as Russia - that is not peace through strength. This is peace through appeasing the aggressor. Ukrainians want peace more than anyone. And we want to survive. Believe us. - ThreadSky

antongerashchenko.bsky.social • 144 days ago

When we hear that Russia and Ukraine need to just reach an agreement - as if Ukraine is as much to blame for the war as Russia - that is not peace through strength. This is peace through appeasing the aggressor.

Ukrainians want peace more than anyone. And we want to survive. Believe us.

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mikk-o.bsky.social•144 days ago

Russia has zero rights to any other nation, their politics, borders, people, culture, language. Russia also faces zero threats from other nations. Zero plus zero equals their negotiation stance.

bivi17.bsky.social•144 days ago

nate-rathbun.bsky.social•143 days ago

Appeasement only postpones Russian military operations in Ukraine. Putin will continue to invade European nations until he is physically stopped.

fukputin.bsky.social•144 days ago

Some a-hole made this argument (appeasement) and I said cool, I’m gonna take your wife to my house and bang here, so don’t fight back to prove your belief. He almost let me

the-pied-piper.bsky.social•143 days ago

“Peace in our time” does not work. It merely gives the aggressor time to rearm, retrain, regroup, and attack again.

If Russia is allowed to successfully gain territory via expansionist war it will ignite the globe in a wildfire of expansionist wars.

We must admit Ukraine to NATO w/ 1991 borders.

winstonsmith2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

Those advocating for peace now are forgetting that peace will not return to Ukrainians in the Russian occupied territories. They will be harassed, imprisoned, tortured, and deported if they do not agree to become "Russian." We just won't hear about it. But we will still be guilty.

whitepuffin.bsky.social•144 days ago

(I stole id from Reddit)

tiborb.bsky.social•144 days ago

Also Russians do not want "a ceasefire", they need very specific terms of the deal, more-less capitulation of Ukraine.

Situation is not ripe for peace, why would it be? Because american presidential term ends and starts in January 2025? No relation with the war in Ukraine..

jp-42.bsky.social•144 days ago

The just agreement should be : 1991 frontiers + russians returning to russia + derussification of Ukraine + buffer zone 100km wide inside russians territory + NATO membership for Ukraine + New Budapest treaty providing, in favour of Ukraine : returning of all Ukrainian POW and abducted by russia

jp-42.bsky.social•144 days ago

... russia must pay all consequences of War (human and material losses, economic and environmental losses, military expenditures...), full demilitarization and denuclearization of russia, duma must vote a law recognizing holodomor as genocide of Ukrainian people

jp-42.bsky.social•144 days ago

... including teaching of holodomor in russian scholar books, reparations for Ukraine for the conséquences of holodomor; dismantling kerch bridge + all réparations must be paid in $ or €.

yanadear.bsky.social•144 days ago

in the west they think you're no longer the victim if you fight back , then you become an equal and equally guilty. it is the most twisted, infuriating , illogical viewpoint but you can't change any of their minds. A victim lays down and waits to be killed, Ukrainians refuse to do that- guilty.

fischkoppnorth.bsky.social•144 days ago

Kaja Kallas about (soviet-)russian negotiation technics:
1) Demand maximum, demand what was has never been yours.
2) Set ultimatums, don't give an inch.
3) Then someone from the west offers you something, so in the end you have 1/3 or 1/2 of what has never been yours.

maikellen.bsky.social•143 days ago

Then complain, rinse and repeat.

rs51.bsky.social•144 days ago

Because it feels for the West they are save, it it's only temporary and in favour of Putin

brickrockson.bsky.social•143 days ago

When someone smashes their way into your house and kills your children you don't agree to let them live in your lounge.

grandzugzwang.bsky.social•144 days ago

Nielson might well be right here. https://youtu.be/MhpoNL1gZbw?si=0aNUJ775rdyD0Huf

profegerman.bsky.social•144 days ago

If someone breaks in at night in your house, you don't expect the police to come and force you to share your belongings with the thief to reach an agreement. Russia is the thief here!

bowdenark.bsky.social•144 days ago

Americans live on the other side of the ocean and are mostly not intellectuals as you see in their movies, they like to believe in UFOs, Martians and today in the stories that Trump is the superman who will stop the war with a snap of his fingers... Like Kiev in 3 days. Hope is in Europe interests.

chefdiogenes.bsky.social•143 days ago

Homie that's not even half of our country

tololimi2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

Trump in European interests you mean? I don't believe that for a bit!

bowdenark.bsky.social•144 days ago

I wanted to say that the only hope is that Europe thinks of its own interests. To put it simply, Ukraine is the granary of Europe, 70% of Italian pasta is produced with Ukrainian wheat. I could go on but the point is that Putin's new world order foresees the enslavement of Europe.

bowdenark.bsky.social•144 days ago

Excuse me, but I have to say that at full capacity, the energy produced by Ukrainian nuclear power plants would solve all of Germany's industrial problems.

tololimi2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

Other problems too if they win this awfull war. Ukraine is rich. They would be a great trading partner.

bowdenark.bsky.social•144 days ago

Europe is experiencing an existential problem, the price it will have to pay, even if we talk about Ukraine, will be too high. It will become poor. Europe knows Chernobyl, more nuclear than Japan, Putin has not considered it. We are still alive

tololimi2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

I know that Pitin won't stop with Ukraine, NATO boss knows it too so he said in a conference. I give Putin a couple years to restore his army and he starts all over again. Europe must learn and really fast to stand on his own feet.

bowdenark.bsky.social•144 days ago

The nations we are talking about have not known poverty for many centuries. The Italy I mentioned more than 2000 years ago had cities with sewers and running water. In Eurasia they will go and dump their excrement in the streets if they are allowed to.

tololimi2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

🤣

monikax33753706.bsky.social•144 days ago

If you trust in Putin's fascist words, promises or contracts, you are lost 🔥

Ask Budapest's Memorandum ❗

👉No negotiations with ruzzian's Terrorists.

tololimi2024.bsky.social•144 days ago

Russia doesn't want a peace deal! They only want THEIR conditions fulfilled without it no peace. Trump can say whatever he want. If he wants the war to end before he's sworn in ((like he said), he better hurry. Europe start better doing more instead of debating.

stevepdx.bsky.social•144 days ago

It's not appeasing the aggressor, it's giving him everything for free and a call for him to continue with others. It's open bar.
The boomerang effect for Europe and the US will be very hard.
And then they're going to whine.

peacethrustrength.bsky.social•143 days ago

Putin , the imperial shark, is the problem: can’t feed him & not expect a feeding frenzy!! Wake up! Do not reward ruZZian aggression!!

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