Just a friendly reminder,Corbyn was marching in protest against Putin's violence in Chechnya whilst centrist Tony Blair was welcoming Putin into Downing Street(believe it was 2000).Don't compare him to the Torys,or centrist leaders please. He saw what Putin was.
I'm a Green Party member, voted Green in the last two generals and was planning to vote Green in May. But Starmer (and whoever did the King stuff for him) has played an absolute blinder, so now I'm voting Labour.
Starmer also did all of the King stuff. It was initially intended to flatter Trump, to be a reward for Trump as a pacemaker by securing his deal in Ukraine by providing a security guarantee; Trump reneged and showed hostility to our allies. Starmer turned on a dime. Great diplomacy.
We may see a Trump state visit and everyone, including HM, sucking up to him. But we won't if he doesn't commit military force to the security of Ukraine. This state visit is holding Trump's vanity over his head, and he's likely to bite; meanwhile we strengthen our position in Europe and re-arm.
That’s because the Labour Right are still mad the crusty lefty students were right about Iraq. They’ve never forgiven them and have decided to eradicate them to deal with their shame.
I am so glad that Starmer is our prime minister in these difficult times. The sheer ineptitude of the past 5 Tory PMs is beyond belief. Johnson or Truss would have been a far from funny clown show. This is still going to end badly but at least we have the right man leading us.
Forgive me - it's my cack-handed way of saying Starmer (and any PM) are never going to be perfect but he's a grown up sounding more and more like a leader every day.
I remember being genuinely worried she might do something incredibly dangerous at a very tense time - maybe her blowing up the economy and not the planet was something of a small mercy.
Lavrov asked her whether she accepted Russian sovereignty over Rostov on Don and Voronezh and she clearly didn't know where they were and answered as if they were in Ukraine. Embarrassing.
He may well have asked her about the Caspian Sea as well.
Not to mention, frankly, the fact that Starmer is “standing up for the underdog” for Ukraine and yet has happily sat by as the US enabled and funded Israel’s genocide in Palestine, not to mention selling Israel weapons. That doesn’t look like principle. It looks like pure racism.
I think she'd be an incredible asset when it comes to national defence policy, so I think you're being a little harsh here. I don't think there's a warmongering despot alive today that wouldn't look at her and conclude that any country that somehow wound up with that as PM is probably best avoided.
Yes ok. But because other are more awful we can’t not be vigilant re KS. He deploys crisis to drag the Overton window ever further right while supporting Israeli war crimes.
I am so, so glad we have Kier. Finally, we have the right Prime Minister for the job at hand. He might not be everyone's favourite but Jesus christ, can you imagine where we would be with some of the others...
I’ve thought about that before but just Labour and i honestly think furlough pay would have probably been half what it was & no large corruption yet they’d have been attacked so much in the press for it they’d lose power for decades
Said the same yesterday. I didn’t vote for Labour and I wouldn’t vote for this Labour Party but thank god it’s Starmer at the helm right now and not the Tories!!!
Far from funding new defence measures for ourselves or Ukraine, we’d be back to a primitive barter economy, or using shiny rocks as a currency, under that economic f*ckwit…
I have the feeling that in the UK at least, that the 'grown-ups' are in charge. Haven't felt that for ages, but actually it's quite nice ...... Of course there are other nations where there isn't a grown-up to be seen, but that's another story.....
No politicians aren’t all the same, unfortunately Labour domestic policy platform is pretty much the same as right wing Tory Govts. It certainly isn’t Labour anymore
Sure and they are not yet a far right wing Govt like the Tories became fm 2019. But they are still a Tory Govt in everything but name and that is completely unacceptable … imo ofc
How the hell long do you think it takes to turn around 14 years of Tory misrule? They left the economy in the toilet, the public finances in chaos and our position on the World stage badly compromised. Oh, and a hostile media landscape, including the BBC which has Tory placemen all over it.
I agree. I’m sure we’d all like to change everything all at once. I don’t disagree that we need a more humanist policy. Change takes time I guess. He’s also got to keep the balance of the country inside as this is not the work of one parliament.
Take the points made that Starmer’s only been in power 9 months, there’s hell of a lot of crap to clear up, too much for 1 term & has to cope with a Tory controlled media. But notwithstanding all that he, Streeting, Reeves etc have made it crystal clear that they have changed the Lab Party.
I think Starmer is rising to meet the moment. Compare/contrast with Sunak, and I wouldn't have the same level of confidence in the UK at all (speaking from a Dublin perspective).
He's not an ideologue. He can't really promise a bright future because of some new exciting thing. But he is calm, intelligent, and serious, and I think that's what we need now.
Starmer had already proven himself with his past roles. He isn't perfect, but who is? He is a sensible and pragmatic administrator. Just what we need. We don't need politics to be like the Benny Hill Show, like it was over the last 10 years or so.
Christ, you're reduced to having to compare Keir to the PM who got beaten by a lettuce? Desperate times in Sensible Centrist ville, buyers remorse at an all time high.
I don't know, but I'm not having to embarrassingly justify his poor performance by comparing him to the shortest-lived prime minister of the last century. That's you, doing that with your chosen candidate, that you loudly toted as a political genius and indeed the only moral choice.
We can't have any of the previous prime ministers, and trying to compare the incumbent to various shades of Tory disaster-capitalist is purely a form of coping with the abysmal performance of the candidate you chose from the actual options you had.
No no it was very much a question. I can see the question mark quite clearly, you must have missed it! For clarity this, this is not a question. << See!
It would have been "great TV" tho - two blustering idiots, neither listening, or attempting to understand, what the other was saying, with Vance bouncing up and down on his fave sofa trying to be relevant. /s
Starmer wrote a column in the Sunday Telegraph praising MARGARET FUCKING THATCHER. He has continued or gone further on several tory policies including immigration, child benefits and the ban on healthcare for trans youth.
Liz Truss would have done all these things. All politicians are the same.
OK, MOST politicians are the same, and the ones that aren't get hounded and smeared to the point where they're unable to have any positive impact. Is that better, since you're being facetious about it.
The point is that Keir is indistinguishable from most of the Tories of the last decade.
“All politicians are the same” is what the Daily Mail tells people when there’s an election coming up and the Tories have no chance of winning as a form of damage control
I wonder how many people Liz Truss would block from this new free speech network when she is reminded that she oversaw a calamitous "mini budget" which crashed the UK economy and that hundreds of thousands of homeowners are still paying the price in the form of much higher mortgage repayments.
Nothing says there's an imminent threat to free speech here like the setting up of a US funded right wing media network with the sole purpose of talking about it. Thank God she's looking out for us all.
Not content with crashing the economy, Liz Truss continues her assault on Britain by doing the work of a Russian proxy.
Are we at the point now where the majority of RW politicians with an axe to grind have been radicalised by Russian interference?
I thought Xitter was the freeze peach social media network? She could probably buy the rights to Louise Mensch's Menshn if she's looking to speed run another disastrous idea.
Perhaps if we hadn’t had 5 such crappy prime ministers and, sorry to say, at the same time such below par opposition leaders, we wouldn’t now be facing the current situation. It started with the hapless Cameron who couldn’t even control his own ministers!
I agree and I was trying to think of a current UK politician of any stripe that could have handled this as well and I couldn't name one. Anyone have any ideas?
Over lunch we were talking about how the last five or so Prime Ministers might have handled this. We need someone acute, principled and a bit dull, and that's what we've got. It could have been so much worse.
Good thing is I don’t feel constantly on tenterhooks about what dangerous gaffe our PM will make next. I can trust Keir not to be an utter buffoon, to be on top of the issues.
Sunak would have tried the Tech Bro approached and been laughed out of the Oval Office. Johnson would have simply capitulated, and Truss would have been reduced to the body language of a lettuce.
UK hasn't had a good PM since Blair (at first). Brown and Major were good people but poor PMs. Thatcher did some great things but went mad. Callaghan was a muppet, Wilson and Heath were hopeless, so that's 60 years. Perhaps Lab and Con should both have a think about how they elect their leaders.
ALL of Cameron’s forays as PM into foreign policy were a total disaster.
Sunak didn’t last the day on the beaches of Normandy so I don’t think he’d be much cop either. It’s not really a spreadsheet centric endeavour. He farmed out Foreign policy by bringing back Cameron. He had no interest in it
He's certainly very far from perfect.
He needs to withdraw from that AI and technology trade deal he’s negotiating with Trump. It gives the vampires of Silicon Valley a free pass. It is, essentially, a deal with the enemy.
And then there is Israel/Gaza/Genocide...
Say this to the parents of trans kids who have had their life-saving healthcare taken away by a Labour government, ghoul.
The Tory Dark Age never ended for trans people, disabled people, migrants, etc - merely for centrists who value only the appearances and the colour of the ties.
He's not perfect, who is ? He's a decent man with moral values, he has to say things about abhorrent people ( Trump) that we don't like but that's diplomacy, he's a grown up and I'm thankful we've got him
If Lz Truss was PM, France would have woken up with a hangover and accidently annexing the south west of England, Wales would have been sold to Whole Foods as a nudist colony, and the colour mauve installed as Lord President of the Council of the North.
Said the same to my hub today, Starmer has stepped up to the plate, Truss, Johnson would have been an absolute disaster,, I've been proud this week, not a feeling I'm used to when it comes to my country
Who exactly are the “we” in “we are setting up blah”? I guess with her ex-PM Pension pot/salary she can afford to employ a couple of Darren Grimes style interns on less than minimum wage as long as they do exactly as she tells them!
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Interestingly, the other time he did really well was with the UK riots.
The man has revealed himself surprisingly good as a troubleshooter rather than an administrator...
So saying "he's not fucked it up like the Tories would" is not saying much.
Imagine being so limited that way
Real leadership is about nuance, intellect and delicacy yet a proportion of the population still go RED - bad, BLUE - good (or vice versa)
Patronising? Maybe. Don't care.
Requisition the ferries from the Scottish government to form her fleet to sail to the black sea.
He may well have asked her about the Caspian Sea as well.
So from here, as a disabled person, he looks exactly the same.
And not a peep from that bootlicker Farage either.
Shudder…
At the same time, I imagine myself holding my head in my hands to prevent me from repeatedly banging it on the table.
Or badenoch
The woman is fucking insane, as is the Tory Party.
Fabulous!
I think Starmer is rising to meet the moment. Compare/contrast with Sunak, and I wouldn't have the same level of confidence in the UK at all (speaking from a Dublin perspective).
- alternate Sunak commenting on the Zelensky ambush, probably.
May it long continue.
Her full name is Lettuce.
Lettuce Truss
As many have said, these events are the making of him, I suspect because his responses are his own.
His domestic policies seem driven entirely by his advisors - who I do not rate at all.
We can't have any of the previous prime ministers, and trying to compare the incumbent to various shades of Tory disaster-capitalist is purely a form of coping with the abysmal performance of the candidate you chose from the actual options you had.
Liz Truss would have done all these things. All politicians are the same.
The point is that Keir is indistinguishable from most of the Tories of the last decade.
Plus can you hear the silence of the tufton wankers and Boris "Ukraine twat" Johnson
Cowardice runs strong in the right wing
Any one of them would have been a catastrophe.
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(Awkwardly waits for applause)
Are we at the point now where the majority of RW politicians with an axe to grind have been radicalised by Russian interference?
(I’ll get my coat)
Also very glad the tories threw her out of office, and the electorate finished her off.
He has now demonstrated the ability to up his game even higher.
Impressive.
But he has intuitive flare for knowing what needs to be done. And gets on with it.
Sunak didn’t last the day on the beaches of Normandy so I don’t think he’d be much cop either. It’s not really a spreadsheet centric endeavour. He farmed out Foreign policy by bringing back Cameron. He had no interest in it
How about May? Her forays into Europe went exceedingly well 😂
He needs to withdraw from that AI and technology trade deal he’s negotiating with Trump. It gives the vampires of Silicon Valley a free pass. It is, essentially, a deal with the enemy.
And then there is Israel/Gaza/Genocide...
The Tory Dark Age never ended for trans people, disabled people, migrants, etc - merely for centrists who value only the appearances and the colour of the ties.