Also, learning to identify when it's crap and the need to revise. Favorite saying from an old college prof "Your first draft is always crap. Review and revise as necessary."
Also, as someone who writes for a living but not in any creative realm: I need to write it because I need to know where the mistakes and rough patches are and correct those in later drafts. I don't have time to deep-read AI slop for its mistakes, I can skim my own draft and find them.
Writing assignments in school always made me think that failure and success in school is identical. No matter how well one writes, it's never good enough to not be punished with compulsory attendance.
Them: why aren't we learning about (topic that is interesting but not covered in my curriculum)
Me: I can't teach the entire history of the entire world! That's why we've been doing all the reading and writing and analyzing claims! So you can teach yourself! I promise I'm not just being mean! 😭😭😭
To be fair, students generally aren't free to use their attention in such ways when forced to be in class. Hard to even read ahead in the same subject without attracting trouble :(
How does that work? Are students are free to spend their time in class studying whatever they want (so long as it doesn't bother anyone)? Is attendance is voluntary? Where might an interested parent find such schools?
There are far too many push/pull forces right now steering people away from the structural architecture of critical thought. And now people are outsourcing reading, writing, researching, and even crafting a query (knowing how to ask critical questions) to bullshitting machines.
It was weird trying to explain to some guy (calling reasonable concern over AI panic) that Googling something is indeed a *process* that requires critical thought and engagement. It's wild that anyone would think performing research is a passive, instantaneous thing that requires nothing of us
This is why I get SO annoyed every time the damn AI tools pop up asking if I want help writing my emails or whatever. No, no I don’t. I actually like using my brain to keep it sharp. I have a freaking degree in Journalism (marketing emphasis but writing was still key) & I want to have to write ffs
Yes, this! You’ve articulated one of the reasons I truly despise AI, both generative like ChatGPT and corrective like Grammarly Premium. The writing process itself teaches us how to think. If that process is gone, then what?
It’s why kids using ChatGPT for papers is so problematic. Teachers don’t care about your 4 page essay on The Merchant of Venice! They care that you thought about it. (Gets off old man soapbox)
how many other cool sci fi techs did we make before our capitalists created the computers that might finally get me to go full "okay. computers are evil now"
like. we made the "using the computer will make you stupid," myth true before fucking so many other things it's sickening
They don't even teach kids to read anymore. They do some ridiculous memorization and sight-reading tricks instead. Phonetics is dead in public schools and the literacy rate is suffering because of it.
Did you also listen to the podcast “Sold a Story” about this? It sounds as though many districts are beginning to realize the issues and going back to phonics. They seem to be doing a mix of sight/memorization and phonics at my 8 yo’s school.
I don't listen to podcasts, it's just something I've seen unfold over the last couple decades and have seen with my own kids. I also focused on early childhood development and education in university and have seen the growing gaps in our schools since I attended them. It's frustrating and sad to see
The podcast was excellent & really interesting. I’d heard about some of this, the moving away from phonics & deterioration of reading skills, but wasn’t aware of how it had happened. They really dove into how the whole movement came about & the politics involved.
This is the reason I say Audio Books aren’t reading.
There are fundamental Skills involved in Learning to read and write that you just don’t get when you’re Only listening to audio books or only using AI to compose your writings.
No. There are tons of conservative and Maga writers. I cam get and read the writing of tons of racists and bigots, none of which have clarity of thought.
That the OP's logic is bad. Tons of people write and do not have critical thinking skills and many people can't write well at all and can think very well.
I am simple pointing out the OP's bad reasoning and ableist language.
I'm sorry, how is this ableist? And YOUR logic is bad here. Saying that devolping strong critical thinking skills require reading and writing IS NOT also arguing that everyone who reads and writes will therefore think critically all the time.
"Learning to write well means learning to think well."
This from the OP. The OP is literally saying that one will lead to the other. That is just not true. It's also implies that if you CAN'T learn to write well, then you won't learn to think well.
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most of my posts are "banger" or "this post sucks"
I'm fucken COOKED.
Me: I can't teach the entire history of the entire world! That's why we've been doing all the reading and writing and analyzing claims! So you can teach yourself! I promise I'm not just being mean! 😭😭😭
You're literally thinking 300% less by using genAI
Truthful thing
I’ve read in a long time
I’m on the dating sites
And I have ‘thinking’
Listed as one of
My main activities
And this confuses men
Like you wouldn’t
Believe
Every time I think
How is thinking
NOT one of your interests
But also…
Dude I’m a writer
🏡👩🏼💻💚
how many other cool sci fi techs did we make before our capitalists created the computers that might finally get me to go full "okay. computers are evil now"
like. we made the "using the computer will make you stupid," myth true before fucking so many other things it's sickening
like god damn.
There are fundamental Skills involved in Learning to read and write that you just don’t get when you’re Only listening to audio books or only using AI to compose your writings.
You are correlating things.
this is the logic of a fool. you think evil people can't be smart.
that's underestimating your enemy from the jump. it's a poisonous logic you need to rid yourself of asap if you wanna beat the fash.
There are people that lack critical thinking skills and are good writers.
Is that sentence correct or incorrect?
so, I gotta say incorrect. they might exist, but it's extremely unlikely.
I am simple pointing out the OP's bad reasoning and ableist language.
This from the OP. The OP is literally saying that one will lead to the other. That is just not true. It's also implies that if you CAN'T learn to write well, then you won't learn to think well.
A = B, not A = not B.
That is how.