Between 2012-2020, Knicks head coaches Mike Woodson, Derek Fisher, Kurt Rambis, Jeff Hornacek, David Fizdale and Mike Miller had a combined ... 238 wins. From 2020-2025, Tom Thibodeau had ... 226 wins. The grass isn't always greener. Column: www.nytimes.com/athletic/640... - ThreadSky

jledwardsiii.bsky.social • 22 days ago

Between 2012-2020, Knicks head coaches Mike Woodson, Derek Fisher, Kurt Rambis, Jeff Hornacek, David Fizdale and Mike Miller had a combined ... 238 wins.

From 2020-2025, Tom Thibodeau had ... 226 wins.

The grass isn't always greener.

Column:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6400608/2025/06/03/knicks-fire-tom-thibodeau-coaching-search/

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ljmmtfm.bsky.social•21 days ago

Trilogy watch XJ Hot Hand Theory

jester-x.bsky.social•22 days ago

Not saying Thibs did a bad job but I do feel we kinda hit a ceiling with him. Need someone knew to take us to the next level

jledwardsiii.bsky.social•22 days ago

I think "hit a ceiling" is hard to say when they got better each year, you know?

jester-x.bsky.social•22 days ago

Still applies if you don't think he can take you any higher.

And I don't.

bugsysig.bsky.social•22 days ago

They won 1 more game this yr w/ way more talent. Yes they made the ECF (no small feat) but they constantly fell down big/lost leads & came back due to sheer talent. I/many always considered Thibs the “guy before the guy.” Just b/c coaches stunk before him we’re supposed to keep him forever? Gtfoh

dgoodmantrublu.bsky.social•22 days ago

James is just still upset Detroit lost

bbhkf.bsky.social•22 days ago

How much was the success due to coaching or talent? The players were misused or utilized, and he didn’t make enough adjustments until it was too late in the ECF. Knicks should’ve destroyed the Pistons in a sweep, but they barely won. Got past Boston because Tatum went down. Thibs had flaws

jledwardsiii.bsky.social•22 days ago

He did, and I mentioned them in the column. But this team was put together a day before the season started. Given all that he's done, I think he deserved another full year with the roster.

bbhkf.bsky.social•22 days ago

I’m not saying he’s a bad coach at all, and I truly appreciate everything Thibs has done, I just think he didn’t adapt enough to the new NBA, even though they made the ECF.

mattbuilds.bsky.social•22 days ago

But do we think he would address the biggest issues with the team? For me it's number of minutes, poor rotations, over utilizing some players while under utilizing others, lackluster offensive philosophy. Nothing he did over the course of the season indicates he saw these things as problems

lawrences59.bsky.social•22 days ago

Hit the ceiling is part of the new narrative. They were one bad loss away from possibly making it to the finals and the first thing some fans want to talk about is "the ceiling".

jester-x.bsky.social•22 days ago

I was talking about "the ceiling" all season long when we went 0-10 against the top teams in the league.

lawrences59.bsky.social•22 days ago

Then they beat Boston in 6 IN THE PLAYOFFS and you stuck with it.

jester-x.bsky.social•22 days ago

We overachieved in the playoffs and I was as ecstatic about it as everyone else. That doesn't mean we can't do better with another coach.

glenndishere.bsky.social•22 days ago

The NY Knicks right now:

davidwongbk.bsky.social•22 days ago

Thibs and Rose’s roster building brought this franchise to respectability. But schematically at times, he was lacking. Felt like there is a ceiling with Thibs because of his inability to adapt new concepts and change his stubborn ways.

theviolenceoftruth.bsky.social•22 days ago

I wanted to keep Mike Miller - I thought this franchise needed to develop more talent. Rose turned things around, and Thibs was part of it. But it was hard not to see us come up short this year as a result of Thibs riding guys too hard and not smart. I read the ESPN article about how many miles

theviolenceoftruth.bsky.social•22 days ago

Bridges had run this year vs. anyone else and you can’t see guys fade like they did during games and not think- have they just run out of gas? My faith in Leon is restored. I think this roster is better than what it showed under Thibs in the playoffs, and we should have beaten Indiana.

tbowens31.bsky.social•22 days ago

Or… minutes is just a cop out. That roster has no secondary creator nor any rim protection. Josh hart has no discernible skills and shouldn’t be a starter. That teams ceiling is just not that high

theviolenceoftruth.bsky.social•22 days ago

I disagree. Hart’s skill is energy. Dude brought it. But at a certain point, even a marathoner slows down. And Delon Wright proved he could provide a spark in limited minutes- but Thibs never tried until it was too late.

tbowens31.bsky.social•22 days ago

Teams left him wide open. He’s not a great ball handler, shooter, passer, or scorer so it just leaves you with a bunch of Hart attempts which everyone will live with. Again not a starter. Didn’t say he should never play but if he has to play big minutes your team not all that

tbowens31.bsky.social•22 days ago

Wright been in the league for how long? Why is he a journeyman that doesn’t stick in anyone’s rotation? That’s probably a question one should ask before suggesting him. “Thibs didn’t play him” well no one else did.

Josh hart plays hard but that’s not a skill and playing hard only gets you so far

theviolenceoftruth.bsky.social•22 days ago

Sorry - but playing hard is a skill! Because why are there guys that don’t make (Lavor Postell?) that have better everything than Hart, but don’t stick? And dude- I’m not saying Wright should have been starting! The FO got him and he played well when JB was out. Then crickets when as you point out

half-bear-half-man.bsky.social•22 days ago

With all due respect to Thibs and the success he’s had, he never had to coach this lineup.

Rose deserves more credit than anyone for the Knicks success the last few years.

tbowens31.bsky.social•22 days ago

That’s just not a great roster. Good, maybe but the front office has to look at themselves. Brunson doesn’t even recognize when a small is guarding his big. The power of friendship doesn’t win games

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