My view is can someone from one “agency” fire someone from a “different agency” (ie DOGE vs USAID). Because if that was the case agency’s could willy-nilly go firing different agency folks..for shits and giggles.
We need more facts. I don’t know who, if anyone, has said “you’re fired.” If/when USAID says it, these people are unemployed (even if DOGE pressed USAID to do that). I think DOGE’s remit to say it directly to employees is questionable. I’m not assuming DOGE did/will say it, which others are doing.
I’m literally saying if it was DOGE telling people they’re fired, then it’s not clear that it IS allowed. It would NOT be like a mass RIF implemented by the agency, which people are rushing to say is illegal (and therefore thinking it would be a nullity). But we don’t have all the facts yet.
The facts matter. Has anyone fired these people? Who? We don’t know yet. And yes, obviously a RIF can’t be done willy-nilly, but an employee fired in one won’t get far claiming they still have a job. It’s just childish to claim otherwise.
An illegal breach of personnel records to lock workers out of their email accounts is not “firing them” or closing an agency. It’s a coup.
Stop screaming about HR. Federal workers took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, to run programs funded by our laws.
I’m not screaming about HR, I want people to stop giving bad advice online. It’s wrong to say that if a firing was unlawful, then it’s a nullity. People could get into trouble using employer property, for example. My post accounted for uncertainty about who (if anyone) said “you’re fired.” (1 of 2)
I thought I was clear that if DOGE tells these people that they’re fired, then they could dispute that. If, however, USAID tells them they’re fired, then they are indeed fired… and they should start looking for work; the litigation will take years to resolve. (2 of 2)
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The post seems to intimate that…but unknown
I mean, yeah, showing up to work would be insane. You are de facto fired.
But DOGE being able to fire someone is off the table. That isn’t how any of this works.
And they also have to go through every last procedure to fire someone.
And your point about DOGE is muddled, so.
But there's a literal coup in progress.
Stop screaming about HR. Federal workers took an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, to run programs funded by our laws.