Republicans understand that the way to win elections is to make working-class voters feel heard about their kitchen-table economic concerns, which is why half the party is currently fixated on a fake conspiracy theory about revealing government files about a long-dead sex trafficker for rich elites - ThreadSky

whstancil.bsky.social • 3 days ago

Republicans understand that the way to win elections is to make working-class voters feel heard about their kitchen-table economic concerns, which is why half the party is currently fixated on a fake conspiracy theory about revealing government files about a long-dead sex trafficker for rich elites

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robert-e-630.bsky.social•3 days ago

butterslice.bsky.social•3 days ago

I cannot tell whether this is meant ironically. My apologies. Why does the Epstein staff address the kitchen table issues?

vjy1.bsky.social•3 days ago

One thing you don't seem to realize is that "working class voters" are not all the same. The obvious example is that Black working class voters usually don't fall for the Republican scam. BTW, here's Jeffries this morning. Do you have access to his Bsky feed? Apparently not.
https://bsky.app/profile/hakeem-jeffries.bsky.social/post/3ljahw6bvbs2m

crocodoggo.bsky.social•3 days ago

To be fair, their voters are batshit crazy and believe everything they're spoon fed.

Idk why the Dems can't get their shit together on the most basic level , but in my day to day, I'm surrounded by people convinced that they're actually saving money and giving choice to states right now.

lastdaysotheweimar.bsky.social•1 day ago

Everyone knows trans JV volleyball players and the sex of the person heading the coast guard are the kinds of things that really bring home the bacon for lower middle class families.

archietuliploki.bsky.social•2 days ago

to maga, the "epstein files" are part of "draining the swamp" in that the still LIVING elites who are in teh democrats and stealing their opportunity will face justice.

The epstein files are directly related to magas deluded belief trump drains the swamp and makes the criminals pay.

grateless.bsky.social•3 days ago

Wait, your take is that ordinary people don't care about weird celebrity sex that tabloids are chock full of? That the content of tabloids is no guide at all to the interests of ordinary people? I get the criticism that there's leadership to be exercised but this argument doesn't make sense to me

chowdster.bsky.social•3 days ago

Weird celebrity sex stuff has nothing to do with working class economic concerns.

grateless.bsky.social•3 days ago

That's the whole point! Somehow tabloids are full of the former. They continue to be consumed despite this. It's almost as if people had an interest in it.

whstancil.bsky.social•3 days ago

The reason Dems suck at politics is because presented with almost unimaginably efficient communication technologies and more potential outrage and excitement than any one person could ever fully exploit, they.. once again rehearse the same pre-approved boilerplate they’ve used for 30 years

clemensd1.bsky.social•2 days ago

It drives me nuts! It doesn’t matter what part of the dem political continuum you’re on as a politician- there’s something the admin does every damn day that is a great messaging opportunity.

sjkamin.bsky.social•3 days ago

It seems like Rs have consolidated the weirdos while Ds have captured a (comparatively small) share of former Rs who are turned off by the weirdo stuff. If the Ds start playing the weirdo game too, isn't there some risk as many D voters just don't want to hear it?

(Actual Q - I have no idea)

chriroch.bsky.social•3 days ago

This description is just not accurate unfortunately. Whatever weirdo energy you see, it's driving a lot of eyeballs (and their connected brains) to view the world on their terms. They drive the message. Ds won't do it, so they don't drive messages.

sjkamin.bsky.social•3 days ago

That "lot of eyeballs" you speak of are disproportionately R voters, though. What I'm saying is I'm not sure the cause/effect isn't backwards - R voters are drawn to the weirdo stuff because they are (disproportionately) weirdos, not because Rs are using the mechanic more/better than Ds are.

chriroch.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think the easy rebuttal is that these folks weren't this weird before social technology came about. I'm pretty confident it's driving the behavior and not the other way around.

sjkamin.bsky.social•3 days ago

I don't think it's a coincidence we've seen more stark party lines drawn on education though - these people used to listen to establishment pols, now Very Online Rs listen to MGT and Catturd while Very Online Ds listen to AOC and Ezra Klein - it's not just political beliefs that divide us

trendyhendy.bsky.social•2 days ago

James Carville is a curse

cprotopapas.bsky.social•3 days ago

It's a massive failure of the imagination, both from the political class but also the media.

rivki.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think you're understating the wildly uneven playing field for Dems and GOP. Dems are held responsible for the craziest shit communists say (even when those communists hate Dems), and voters won't believe that Republicans will do any of the shit they promise over and over again.

rivki.bsky.social•3 days ago

Dems can't connect via the cult-like, addictive conspiracy theories that the GOP thrives on because those theories exist largely to justify authoritarianism and bigotry. GOP connects by invoking hatred and fear, and that's corrosive to society, for all that it's very effective at getting votes.

errol-beck.bsky.social•3 days ago

The progressive working family and criminal justice reform party became the conservative defender of institutions that aren’t working, and rule of law that is broken. The conservative party became a nationalist party that declared everything is broken and you’re being screwed.

errol-beck.bsky.social•3 days ago

Regardless of who all of us sane people know would actually do good things for regular people, the hits being played down the final stretch weren’t landing for Dems. Too many people view the Democratic brand as elitist and out of touch. It’s a marketing and outreach problem 100%.

errol-beck.bsky.social•3 days ago

The Dems basically have become the party for what everyone’s stereotype for a lawyer is.

People don’t love lawyers. (Sorry lawyers, I respect your important role in civil society).

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

Dems also love Corporate Capitalism as much as the Republicans, when most working class people understand it's literally killing them. See public response to Luigi Mangione.

prairieguy2623.bsky.social•3 days ago

Don’t be absurd. If working class people understood “Corporate Capitalism” was “killing them,” they wouldn’t be voting for Republicans.

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

Perfect! This exemplifies the first poster's skeet.

chowdster.bsky.social•3 days ago

"See public response to Luigi Mangione"
You mean, how the public generally doesn't approve of what he did?

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

As discusses elsewhere in the thread, I consider 1 in 5 supporting a violent solution is alarmingly high.

chowdster.bsky.social•2 days ago

I don't think you can look at the Luigi memes and thirst traps and then conclude "most working class people support a violent overthrow of capitalism"

ealluia.bsky.social•3 days ago

The public response to Luigi Mangione was quite negative overall. Someone who thinks the people love him as a working class outlaw is revealing what sorts of information bubbles they're locked in. Specifically, social media used by younger, more leftwing people is the outlier.

videogamer.bsky.social•3 days ago

goingonawalk.bsky.social•3 days ago

not my experience at least. the normies I know across the political and age spectrum think he is a hero. i’m not justifying it, but it would be better to acknowledge why people feel this way and how doubling down on failing institutionalism falls flat with them.

ealluia.bsky.social•3 days ago

Also, I think the fact that Republicans are winning elections up and down the ticket all across the country with a healthy amount of working class support suggests that the people crave for the ending of capitalism or "corporate capitalism" isn't quite right as a theory of politics.

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

But the economic system is never on the ballet, is it?

admiral-monke.bsky.social•3 days ago

Lol. Bro thinks the American working class would vote for communism. Lmao

ealluia.bsky.social•3 days ago

It's always on the ballot.

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

Dems. will. not. listen.

jarekfa.bsky.social•3 days ago

Well they shouldn't listen to your pro-homicide take. Luigi isn't our savior. He literally was an Elonstan. He sacrificed his future to take out a CEO? Buddy, if he was trying to save our society, there's only one target for that , who I won't name. He targeted a CEO because he sees himself that way

ealluia.bsky.social•3 days ago

I mean, I can think of 3-4 targets that would plausibly fall into the watering the tree of liberty category given how things are developing, but none of them are CEO's of companies with unsavory business practices.

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

We disagree on who is actually dying in any numbers. From my perspective, it isn't CEOs.

Your blind support for negligence take isn't winning any voters either.

ealluia.bsky.social•3 days ago

You implied that the violent actions of a person with vaguely alt-rightish politics that were wildly unpopular proves that there is a deep well of popular support for your grievances with "capitalism". That doesn't seem like a sound inference.

richardengelhardt.bsky.social•3 days ago

I guess we all have our own echo chambers.

rockmondo.bsky.social•3 days ago

I think GOP is America's Abusive Dad, and Dems are the Enabling Mom. It is ordained in the Bible that if the Mom party ever makes a move, there will be Hell to pay. Dad will win every fight in the end. Just how much he has to break before he feels like a Man again.

dradue.bsky.social•3 days ago

Is it the case that hearing kitchen-table economic concerns is the wrong strategy, is the right strategy, but Dems didn't convince people they were doing it, or right but insufficient?

coyscoyscoys.bsky.social•3 days ago

When will dems realize it’s never been about eggs? Their brains are broken repeating the same shit about the cost of living while republicans move the goalposts 5x faster than they can formulate thoughts

Start the doom and gloom forecasting! Scream out the coming of the end of America

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